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		<title>By: MobHappy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Digital Trash II</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2010/01/14/digital-trash/comment-page-1/#comment-131295</link>
		<dc:creator>MobHappy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Digital Trash II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a month ago, I wrote a post exploring the potential downsides of the new hot topic of Augmented Reality. As a reminder, while I&#8217;m a huge fan of AR and have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a month ago, I wrote a post exploring the potential downsides of the new hot topic of Augmented Reality. As a reminder, while I&#8217;m a huge fan of AR and have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Buckley</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2010/01/14/digital-trash/comment-page-1/#comment-131049</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Murat - I agree. That&#039;s what I meant about the difficulty of scaling this type of business.

Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Murat &#8211; I agree. That&#8217;s what I meant about the difficulty of scaling this type of business.</p>
<p>Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Murat</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2010/01/14/digital-trash/comment-page-1/#comment-131037</link>
		<dc:creator>Murat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott - That sort of stuff can be sorted out quite easily with either

a) Data pulled in from a Yellow Pages type site with actual shop names and locations

or

b) Aloritms that say stuff like &#039;There is already a business with that name in this location, did you mean...?&#039; Like what Yelp and Digg do.

Combine the two and your away to go. Obviously you&#039;ll get a few typos here and there but not enough to ruin the service. Google Maps follows a similar route

@Russell For sure, all you&#039;ll need is a &#039;report this location as inaccurate&#039; type of thing but I guess for self-management it would need saturation to cover all the possible areas of the world.

I can&#039;t see how it could be done, the beauty of correcting Wikipedia is that I can do it sat on the PC, not on the off chance I happen to have a AR application open  looking for a pub and see its on the wrong street. Could you imagine the amount of AR phones and people with the same app to carry out something like that? Realistic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott &#8211; That sort of stuff can be sorted out quite easily with either</p>
<p>a) Data pulled in from a Yellow Pages type site with actual shop names and locations</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>b) Aloritms that say stuff like &#8216;There is already a business with that name in this location, did you mean&#8230;?&#8217; Like what Yelp and Digg do.</p>
<p>Combine the two and your away to go. Obviously you&#8217;ll get a few typos here and there but not enough to ruin the service. Google Maps follows a similar route</p>
<p>@Russell For sure, all you&#8217;ll need is a &#8216;report this location as inaccurate&#8217; type of thing but I guess for self-management it would need saturation to cover all the possible areas of the world.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see how it could be done, the beauty of correcting Wikipedia is that I can do it sat on the PC, not on the off chance I happen to have a AR application open  looking for a pub and see its on the wrong street. Could you imagine the amount of AR phones and people with the same app to carry out something like that? Realistic?</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Buckley</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2010/01/14/digital-trash/comment-page-1/#comment-131032</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, everyone. Keep them coming, even if you do disagree.

Murat, I still think that any sites like this are better if there is the possibility to edit, even if it&#039;s by the community itself. I agree it&#039;s far too early to talk about standards. What I&#039;m talking about is Best Practices, which is a very different and far more straightforward thing.

Scott: it&#039;s not exactly what I meant, but you have summed it up with the UGC running wild idea. How long should annotations survive? Forever? Will people in 2050 really be interested in a restaurant review for the place belonging to the original chef&#039;s grandson?

Lots of things to think about that no one appears to be thinking.

Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, everyone. Keep them coming, even if you do disagree.</p>
<p>Murat, I still think that any sites like this are better if there is the possibility to edit, even if it&#8217;s by the community itself. I agree it&#8217;s far too early to talk about standards. What I&#8217;m talking about is Best Practices, which is a very different and far more straightforward thing.</p>
<p>Scott: it&#8217;s not exactly what I meant, but you have summed it up with the UGC running wild idea. How long should annotations survive? Forever? Will people in 2050 really be interested in a restaurant review for the place belonging to the original chef&#8217;s grandson?</p>
<p>Lots of things to think about that no one appears to be thinking.</p>
<p>Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2010/01/14/digital-trash/comment-page-1/#comment-131031</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nurat - that is only part of the problem that is being described I think.  If you have a service that allows you to check in to some physical place and you can&#039;t see what you are looking for, what does a user do?  They create a new one.  So you end up with 17 Starbucks where actually, there is only one physical store in that location.  This diminishes the value of the service as you are no longer able to effectively see patterns or manage advertising, or anything.  I am not sure a committee is the way forward, but niether is allowing UGC to run wild.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nurat &#8211; that is only part of the problem that is being described I think.  If you have a service that allows you to check in to some physical place and you can&#8217;t see what you are looking for, what does a user do?  They create a new one.  So you end up with 17 Starbucks where actually, there is only one physical store in that location.  This diminishes the value of the service as you are no longer able to effectively see patterns or manage advertising, or anything.  I am not sure a committee is the way forward, but niether is allowing UGC to run wild.</p>
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		<title>By: Murat</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2010/01/14/digital-trash/comment-page-1/#comment-131020</link>
		<dc:creator>Murat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually your fear of AR review abuse and problems with scale is actually going to be its savior. 

Your points can also be applied to sites like Tripadvisor, why do so many people trust it? Hotel owners can just as easily forge reviews...and they still do. The reason why it now works is because of saturation. You can only forge reviews so much but when more and more people use a service those dodgy business owners are going to be exposed and do their business harm.

When Tripadvisor was in it&#039;s early days I noticed a load of hotels writing their own reviews, you could always tell them apart - mainly because the writer had only contributed 1 review ever on the site, but reading through the negative reviews it becomes apparent, along with candid images you can tell frauds from a mile.

Associations and Committees is a lovely thought but whenever a new technology emerges it&#039;s a race for everyone to get their &#039;solution&#039; out there so they can cash in. This means a fragmented market with different standards all over the shop. 

Take 2D codes for example, everyone wants a piece of the pie, this leaves you with Beetaggs, QR Codes, Shotcodes..

I thought that industry was going to get some standards and a association but I&#039;m sure that they still haven&#039;t managed it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually your fear of AR review abuse and problems with scale is actually going to be its savior. </p>
<p>Your points can also be applied to sites like Tripadvisor, why do so many people trust it? Hotel owners can just as easily forge reviews&#8230;and they still do. The reason why it now works is because of saturation. You can only forge reviews so much but when more and more people use a service those dodgy business owners are going to be exposed and do their business harm.</p>
<p>When Tripadvisor was in it&#8217;s early days I noticed a load of hotels writing their own reviews, you could always tell them apart &#8211; mainly because the writer had only contributed 1 review ever on the site, but reading through the negative reviews it becomes apparent, along with candid images you can tell frauds from a mile.</p>
<p>Associations and Committees is a lovely thought but whenever a new technology emerges it&#8217;s a race for everyone to get their &#8216;solution&#8217; out there so they can cash in. This means a fragmented market with different standards all over the shop. </p>
<p>Take 2D codes for example, everyone wants a piece of the pie, this leaves you with Beetaggs, QR Codes, Shotcodes..</p>
<p>I thought that industry was going to get some standards and a association but I&#8217;m sure that they still haven&#8217;t managed it?</p>
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