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	<description>Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology.</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great insight, I believe the industry is currently well behind the curve when it comes to not only mobile advertising but web advertising too. Traditionally marketing has tended to mirror its medium and content e.g. TV advertising has to compete with programming content to achieve cut-through, which fits with your point that TV advertising eventually came good. My worry is that interactive marketing is not embracing the shift towards &#039;social&#039; on the web fast enough, marketing&#039;s propensity to adapt and change to its environment is slowing down. Check out my post &#039;holding a mirror up to interactive marketing&#039; at www.knitwareblog.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insight, I believe the industry is currently well behind the curve when it comes to not only mobile advertising but web advertising too. Traditionally marketing has tended to mirror its medium and content e.g. TV advertising has to compete with programming content to achieve cut-through, which fits with your point that TV advertising eventually came good. My worry is that interactive marketing is not embracing the shift towards &#8217;social&#8217; on the web fast enough, marketing&#8217;s propensity to adapt and change to its environment is slowing down. Check out my post &#8216;holding a mirror up to interactive marketing&#8217; at <a href="http://www.knitwareblog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.knitwareblog.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: London Calling &#187; Mobile advertising debate summary from netimperitive roundtable</title>
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		<dc:creator>London Calling &#187; Mobile advertising debate summary from netimperitive roundtable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Russell Buckley blogged recently in his post &#8220;TV like it&#8217;s 1941&#8220;, as each communication medium emerges, we learn about the best bits from the previous one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Russell Buckley blogged recently in his post &#8220;TV like it&#8217;s 1941&#8220;, as each communication medium emerges, we learn about the best bits from the previous one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great point, well illustrated. It can take time for the new model to emerge - arguably Google is the finest web model - but it was not really until the early part of this decade that this became clear.

Likewise with mobile, but slower mixed sadly like everything else in mobile (I sometimes think mobile years are 7 times slower than real ones).

Probably it&#039;s out there already.... One issue is that it needs to be easy to create and buy, like web banners are. If it is not standardised to a large extent, we&#039;ll never get the agencies to buy it in bulk. That&#039;s not to say there will not be one off customised excellence (at a premium). But remember that a volume market needs tools capable of handling throughput.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great point, well illustrated. It can take time for the new model to emerge &#8211; arguably Google is the finest web model &#8211; but it was not really until the early part of this decade that this became clear.</p>
<p>Likewise with mobile, but slower mixed sadly like everything else in mobile (I sometimes think mobile years are 7 times slower than real ones).</p>
<p>Probably it&#8217;s out there already&#8230;. One issue is that it needs to be easy to create and buy, like web banners are. If it is not standardised to a large extent, we&#8217;ll never get the agencies to buy it in bulk. That&#8217;s not to say there will not be one off customised excellence (at a premium). But remember that a volume market needs tools capable of handling throughput.</p>
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		<title>By: London Calling &#187; Carnival of the Mobilists #143 is at the phones show</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/09/26/tv-like-its-1941/comment-page-1/#comment-124002</link>
		<dc:creator>London Calling &#187; Carnival of the Mobilists #143 is at the phones show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] times has been mobile advertising and this Carnival is no exception. Russell Buckley reckons that mobile ads have a long way to go, using progress from the first TV ads as a benchmark and the iPhone as a modern day platform [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] times has been mobile advertising and this Carnival is no exception. Russell Buckley reckons that mobile ads have a long way to go, using progress from the first TV ads as a benchmark and the iPhone as a modern day platform [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mikki Jang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikki Jang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the insightful posting shared! When you are trapped in one paradigm for long, the next paradigm always looks like science fiction and surreal..Hence, until the users come up with the right uses of a medium, it&#039;s detectable that the new medium borrows the content from the old medium - as movies were the content of the TVs, books and novels used to be the content of the movies - While the &quot;Global village&quot; becoming an ever more relevant world to us, we&#039;ll be seeing the old medium&#039;s content and format borrowed, roughed up and massaged to tell our stories on the new medium for a while. But this leaves us with opportunities for new forms social communications and our social DNAs are evolving along.  Mikki Jang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insightful posting shared! When you are trapped in one paradigm for long, the next paradigm always looks like science fiction and surreal..Hence, until the users come up with the right uses of a medium, it&#8217;s detectable that the new medium borrows the content from the old medium &#8211; as movies were the content of the TVs, books and novels used to be the content of the movies &#8211; While the &#8220;Global village&#8221; becoming an ever more relevant world to us, we&#8217;ll be seeing the old medium&#8217;s content and format borrowed, roughed up and massaged to tell our stories on the new medium for a while. But this leaves us with opportunities for new forms social communications and our social DNAs are evolving along.  Mikki Jang</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi T Ahonen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomi T Ahonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Russell and readers of MobHappy

Great posting again, Russell. Great! I&#039;ll borrow it (and credit you of course) when discussing the 7th Mass Media concept, where one of the main themes is of course, that on mobile (7th medium) we should not only copy what existed before on say the internet (6th media) or TV (5th) etc. But that we should innovate and create newer formats, in content and yes, in advertising, that the older media could not even support.

Great example from the internet world is Google Adwords. Early internet ads were static print ads copied to web pages (my first ad for the internet when I was employed in New York City by NY&#039;s first internet service provider, was just that - we copied our Yellow Pages ad and placed it onto a web page; very crude and strictly a copy of a legacy media format). But yes, Google Adwords introduced an ad format that is not possible on legacy media. Great innovation.

Now we are starting to see early steps into what is called &quot;engagement marketing&quot; on mobile platforms, perhaps tracing their beginning to 2005 in India, where first advergames were launched. We can do advertising on mobile that is far more fun (Mob-Happy) than ads in print or radio or cinema or TV or even the internet..

Great story, I blogged about it at Communities_dominate.blogs.com and will spread the story. So the first ad was Bulova on a baseball game. Cool...

Tomi Ahonen    :-)
www.tomiahonen.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Russell and readers of MobHappy</p>
<p>Great posting again, Russell. Great! I&#8217;ll borrow it (and credit you of course) when discussing the 7th Mass Media concept, where one of the main themes is of course, that on mobile (7th medium) we should not only copy what existed before on say the internet (6th media) or TV (5th) etc. But that we should innovate and create newer formats, in content and yes, in advertising, that the older media could not even support.</p>
<p>Great example from the internet world is Google Adwords. Early internet ads were static print ads copied to web pages (my first ad for the internet when I was employed in New York City by NY&#8217;s first internet service provider, was just that &#8211; we copied our Yellow Pages ad and placed it onto a web page; very crude and strictly a copy of a legacy media format). But yes, Google Adwords introduced an ad format that is not possible on legacy media. Great innovation.</p>
<p>Now we are starting to see early steps into what is called &#8220;engagement marketing&#8221; on mobile platforms, perhaps tracing their beginning to 2005 in India, where first advergames were launched. We can do advertising on mobile that is far more fun (Mob-Happy) than ads in print or radio or cinema or TV or even the internet..</p>
<p>Great story, I blogged about it at Communities_dominate.blogs.com and will spread the story. So the first ad was Bulova on a baseball game. Cool&#8230;</p>
<p>Tomi Ahonen    <img src='http://mobhappy.com/blog1/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://www.tomiahonen.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomiahonen.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anders Borg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anders Borg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s equally copied from print (static image).

Mobile web advertizing of today is directly copied from Internet banner ads, so nothing new/paradigm-shifting there. Actually very similar to the point you are making in your blog post.

Future mobile advertizing will be more interactive, using voice, SMS, MMS, the user&#039;s location (initially cell-based of course), etc to interact with the ad itself or directly with the company. The user can also be alerted of opt-in ads whenever and wherever.

There will of course be combinations with traditional media, like responding with an SMS to ads on TV, printed posters, magazine ads etc, and in turn be able to win something or whatever.

In the above case the user sends an inbound SMS, so there&#039;s of course a cost tradeoff when providing an SMS response to such a request, and of course also how much it&#039;s acceptable to charge the end-user for something that inherently is an ad (despite providing some value to the end-user, in the shape of a game or similar).

In comparison a banner ad doesn&#039;t cost anything for the end-user nor the ad engine provider (roughly speaking; there&#039;s of course maintenance, personnel and marketing costs, but not a direct cost per ad). It only costs for the advertizer, which makes this the most cost-effective solution today.

Well actually, that&#039;s not altogether true: The end-user pays for the presentation of the mobile banner ad via increased data cost. Per ad the cost is obviously very small, but if you consider that many sites now have ads, it accumulates. Unless of course the user has a flat-rate sub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s equally copied from print (static image).</p>
<p>Mobile web advertizing of today is directly copied from Internet banner ads, so nothing new/paradigm-shifting there. Actually very similar to the point you are making in your blog post.</p>
<p>Future mobile advertizing will be more interactive, using voice, SMS, MMS, the user&#8217;s location (initially cell-based of course), etc to interact with the ad itself or directly with the company. The user can also be alerted of opt-in ads whenever and wherever.</p>
<p>There will of course be combinations with traditional media, like responding with an SMS to ads on TV, printed posters, magazine ads etc, and in turn be able to win something or whatever.</p>
<p>In the above case the user sends an inbound SMS, so there&#8217;s of course a cost tradeoff when providing an SMS response to such a request, and of course also how much it&#8217;s acceptable to charge the end-user for something that inherently is an ad (despite providing some value to the end-user, in the shape of a game or similar).</p>
<p>In comparison a banner ad doesn&#8217;t cost anything for the end-user nor the ad engine provider (roughly speaking; there&#8217;s of course maintenance, personnel and marketing costs, but not a direct cost per ad). It only costs for the advertizer, which makes this the most cost-effective solution today.</p>
<p>Well actually, that&#8217;s not altogether true: The end-user pays for the presentation of the mobile banner ad via increased data cost. Per ad the cost is obviously very small, but if you consider that many sites now have ads, it accumulates. Unless of course the user has a flat-rate sub.</p>
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		<title>By: TV Like Itâ??s 1941 &#124; Survival Food Kits, Tools, Gear</title>
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		<dc:creator>TV Like Itâ??s 1941 &#124; Survival Food Kits, Tools, Gear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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