Comments on: Credit Where Credit Is Due… And Where It Isn’t http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/ Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:35:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: iPhone: так був все-таки успіх? - Watcher http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-123064 iPhone: так був все-таки успіх? - Watcher Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:55:33 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-123064 [...] Nokia продає 1,28 млн. телефонів на день або близько 120 млн. в квартал. [...] [...] Nokia продає 1,28 млн. телефонів на день або близько 120 млн. в квартал. [...]

]]> By: Iron Wil » Blog Archive » Windows Weekly [#58] NetCast http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122686 Iron Wil » Blog Archive » Windows Weekly [#58] NetCast Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:29:16 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122686 [...] iPhone 3G: One Million Served? [...] [...] iPhone 3G: One Million Served? [...]

]]> By: Carlo Longino http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122639 Carlo Longino Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:18:28 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122639 Again, Michael, you concede that the Apple hype (or "visibility and desirability and impact", as you call it) far outweighs market share. If you go back to my original post, you'll see that's the point I was making, that Apple's share of the mobile handset market remains tiny, so thanks for illustrating it again. For all the media hype, all the fanboy loss of perspective, the overall share remains small, and to call it "increasingly large" is disingenuous. You're the one that wants to cast it in relation to smartphones to make it look bigger. You're the one bringing in this talk of profitability and price (as an aside, do you have any actual data on iPhone margins, or are you just making it up as you go along?). It's great that Apple's sold so many devices and made so many people happy. But let's not disregard the 99+% of people worldwide who don't have iPhones, and act as if they're invisible. Wouldn't things be much more interesting if Apple did something to better target that chunk of the market? Then they'd be able to offer a huge market to developers, rather than the niche that's currently on offer. Again, Michael, you concede that the Apple hype (or “visibility and desirability and impact”, as you call it) far outweighs market share. If you go back to my original post, you’ll see that’s the point I was making, that Apple’s share of the mobile handset market remains tiny, so thanks for illustrating it again. For all the media hype, all the fanboy loss of perspective, the overall share remains small, and to call it “increasingly large” is disingenuous.

You’re the one that wants to cast it in relation to smartphones to make it look bigger. You’re the one bringing in this talk of profitability and price (as an aside, do you have any actual data on iPhone margins, or are you just making it up as you go along?).

It’s great that Apple’s sold so many devices and made so many people happy. But let’s not disregard the 99+% of people worldwide who don’t have iPhones, and act as if they’re invisible. Wouldn’t things be much more interesting if Apple did something to better target that chunk of the market? Then they’d be able to offer a huge market to developers, rather than the niche that’s currently on offer.

]]> By: A Couple Of Thoughts About The iPhone “Million” http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122620 A Couple Of Thoughts About The iPhone “Million” Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:30:08 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122620 [...] of any other meaningful iPhone-related news, some are trying to convince us that it’s not. Carlo Longino’s “analysis”, also quoted by Techdirt and in turn by Gizmodo brings some numbers to the plate but forgets a [...] [...] of any other meaningful iPhone-related news, some are trying to convince us that it’s not. Carlo Longino’s “analysis”, also quoted by Techdirt and in turn by Gizmodo brings some numbers to the plate but forgets a [...]

]]> By: john http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122615 john Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:38:15 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122615 Bangladesh added 1.66 million mobile phone subscribers in June 2008 alone. People there pretty much use nokia phones as far I am concerned and minimum cost of a nokia phone is about US$50 each. Bangladesh added 1.66 million mobile phone subscribers in June 2008 alone. People there pretty much use nokia phones as far I am concerned and minimum cost of a nokia phone is about US$50 each.

]]> By: Michael Long http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122614 Michael Long Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:25:34 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122614 "Which will equal roughly 1% of the overall mobile handset market." And BMW only has about 1% of the overall worldwide automotive market. Mercedes only 0.3%. But in either case that's out of the TOP 2% of the entire automotive market in terms of price and profitability. And like Apple, both automakers have a visibility and desirability and impact that far, far outweighs their market share. Just like with computers, Apple is staking out the high-end of the mobile phone/smartphone market and letting everyone else fight it out over the pennies and nickels and dimes at the other end of the scale. Or do you find the concept of totally dominating the high end of the market to be "pointless"? I think there's a bit more to the equation than simply dividing X by Y... “Which will equal roughly 1% of the overall mobile handset market.”

And BMW only has about 1% of the overall worldwide automotive market. Mercedes only 0.3%. But in either case that’s out of the TOP 2% of the entire automotive market in terms of price and profitability. And like Apple, both automakers have a visibility and desirability and impact that far, far outweighs their market share.

Just like with computers, Apple is staking out the high-end of the mobile phone/smartphone market and letting everyone else fight it out over the pennies and nickels and dimes at the other end of the scale.

Or do you find the concept of totally dominating the high end of the market to be “pointless”?

I think there’s a bit more to the equation than simply dividing X by Y…

]]> By: McGuire’s Law » Blog Archive » Business Observations: July 16, 2008 Edition http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122595 McGuire’s Law » Blog Archive » Business Observations: July 16, 2008 Edition Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:13:04 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122595 [...] Carlo Longino commented on Apple’s hype around selling 1 million iPhones over a weekend: “Just to let reality back in for a second… Nokia Q1 sales: 115.5 million (from Nokia PR), or roughly 1.28 million per day.” [...] [...] Carlo Longino commented on Apple’s hype around selling 1 million iPhones over a weekend: “Just to let reality back in for a second… Nokia Q1 sales: 115.5 million (from Nokia PR), or roughly 1.28 million per day.” [...]

]]> By: JamesS http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122574 JamesS Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:24:19 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122574 Some interesting commentary from the Guardian here, in what Apple counts as a sale: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/07/15/fortune_and_piper_jaffray_wonder_about_apples_definition_of_sold.html So, what Apple is saying is not that there are a million new iPhones in the hands of consumers, but they've doled out a million to various operators around the world many of which may still be sitting around waiting for someone to order it. Some interesting commentary from the Guardian here, in what Apple counts as a sale:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/07/15/fortune_and_piper_jaffray_wonder_about_apples_definition_of_sold.html

So, what Apple is saying is not that there are a million new iPhones in the hands of consumers, but they’ve doled out a million to various operators around the world many of which may still be sitting around waiting for someone to order it.

]]> By: Csaba http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122555 Csaba Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:12:33 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122555 "Which will equal roughly 1% of the overall mobile handset market. Thanks for proving my point." which will equal roughly 0.000000001% of the overall electrical equipment market. What is the point? I guess RIM, Palm feel themselves very comfortable by the fact that Nokia sells millions of cheap 3110. And the Symbian buyout only costed a few hundred million euro for Nokia, the S60 development also a few hundred million, so it's absolutely no problem if Apple sells a million iPhone in 2 day, right? Headache? Noooo! “Which will equal roughly 1% of the overall mobile handset market. Thanks for proving my point.”

which will equal roughly 0.000000001% of the overall electrical equipment market. What is the point?

I guess RIM, Palm feel themselves very comfortable by the fact that Nokia sells millions of cheap 3110. And the Symbian buyout only costed a few hundred million euro for Nokia, the S60 development also a few hundred million, so it’s absolutely no problem if Apple sells a million iPhone in 2 day, right? Headache? Noooo!

]]> By: Carlo Longino http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122550 Carlo Longino Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:27:23 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2008/07/14/credit-where-credit-is-due-and-where-it-isnt/#comment-122550 "Plus, if Apple meets its numbers of selling 10 million phones in 2008, they’ll have gained roughly 10% of the entire worldwide smartphone market." Which will equal roughly 1% of the overall mobile handset market. Thanks for proving my point. “Plus, if Apple meets its numbers of selling 10 million phones in 2008, they’ll have gained roughly 10% of the entire worldwide smartphone market.”

Which will equal roughly 1% of the overall mobile handset market. Thanks for proving my point.

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