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	<title>Comments on: Steve Jobs: Doesn&#8217;t Get Mobile, Completely Full Of It, Or Both?</title>
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	<description>Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology.</description>
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		<title>By: Csaba</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/06/29/steve-jobs-doesnt-get-mobile-completely-full-of-it-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-106431</link>
		<dc:creator>Csaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolf: Apple required AT&amp;T to introduce a few iPhone specific services (and about 3-4x EDGE speedup) by the launch of iPhone. 
The same will happen to O2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolf: Apple required AT&amp;T to introduce a few iPhone specific services (and about 3-4x EDGE speedup) by the launch of iPhone.<br />
The same will happen to O2.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the device has EDGE but the UK hasn&#039;t.

Only one of the 4 operators in the UK (Orange) have an EDGE network and its coverage is not very good. So most users in the UK wouldn&#039;t be able to use that capability, including the O2 network customers who are rumoured to be the only ones that will get the iPhone.

Wolf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the device has EDGE but the UK hasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Only one of the 4 operators in the UK (Orange) have an EDGE network and its coverage is not very good. So most users in the UK wouldn&#8217;t be able to use that capability, including the O2 network customers who are rumoured to be the only ones that will get the iPhone.</p>
<p>Wolf</p>
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		<title>By: Csaba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Csaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolf: I don&#039;t quite understand your point. iPhone is EDGE capable. 200kbit/sec (EDGE speed) is more than bearable. 

Csaba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolf: I don&#8217;t quite understand your point. iPhone is EDGE capable. 200kbit/sec (EDGE speed) is more than bearable. </p>
<p>Csaba</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Csaba, I disagree about the 3G issue. I live in the UK and as chuBb said, people are aware of what it means and how slow the mobile web is over a GPRS connection. To correct your post: 200KBits/sec is more like average EDGE speed and is not achievable with GPRS (which the iPhone would have to use  in the UK if it isn&#039;t 3G). Max speed of that is around 48K. 

Especially when you&#039;re selling iPhone&#039;s Safari as a &#039;full&#039; web browser, not one for viewing transcoded WAP pages, that is just too slow. I still think it will sell OK but more as a glorified iPod with a lovely interface. Just for that it&#039;s great for the mobile industry - but to try to sell it to people who use/need the mobile web without 3G is foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Csaba, I disagree about the 3G issue. I live in the UK and as chuBb said, people are aware of what it means and how slow the mobile web is over a GPRS connection. To correct your post: 200KBits/sec is more like average EDGE speed and is not achievable with GPRS (which the iPhone would have to use  in the UK if it isn&#8217;t 3G). Max speed of that is around 48K. </p>
<p>Especially when you&#8217;re selling iPhone&#8217;s Safari as a &#8216;full&#8217; web browser, not one for viewing transcoded WAP pages, that is just too slow. I still think it will sell OK but more as a glorified iPod with a lovely interface. Just for that it&#8217;s great for the mobile industry &#8211; but to try to sell it to people who use/need the mobile web without 3G is foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: Csaba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Csaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chuBb: I live in Europe (this is the explanation of my funny name :) ). I don&#039;t think the lack of 3G will harm the iPhone sales that much. I want full web browser and not opera mini on my crappy 3G Nokia, and anyways, 200kbit/sec is not so slow on a phone if I&#039;m out of wifi coverage.  And we both know, 3G will be added to iPhone in the foreseeable future. 

About the tactile feedback: I think the future is the touch screen, partly because of its flexibility. You can adapt the user interface (buttons, sliders and other UI elements) for the application, plastic keys simply can&#039;t do that. And &#039;button-driven&#039; UI will never be so fluent and natural as iPhone UI. For example, not easy to create a 4way or 8way joystick driven web browser. Think of the scroll, link selection etc. Feels unnatural and simply pain to use. A simple address book can work much more fluently if you can touch and drag the items on screen. 
BTW, mouse was also a debate like this a few decades ago. 
About texting: there are videos on the net on 35 wpm iPhone typists and their phones are (obviously) 2 or 3 days old so this is the max. amount of time they&#039;ve spent practicing it. 

Cs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chuBb: I live in Europe (this is the explanation of my funny name <img src='http://mobhappy.com/blog1/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). I don&#8217;t think the lack of 3G will harm the iPhone sales that much. I want full web browser and not opera mini on my crappy 3G Nokia, and anyways, 200kbit/sec is not so slow on a phone if I&#8217;m out of wifi coverage.  And we both know, 3G will be added to iPhone in the foreseeable future. </p>
<p>About the tactile feedback: I think the future is the touch screen, partly because of its flexibility. You can adapt the user interface (buttons, sliders and other UI elements) for the application, plastic keys simply can&#8217;t do that. And &#8216;button-driven&#8217; UI will never be so fluent and natural as iPhone UI. For example, not easy to create a 4way or 8way joystick driven web browser. Think of the scroll, link selection etc. Feels unnatural and simply pain to use. A simple address book can work much more fluently if you can touch and drag the items on screen.<br />
BTW, mouse was also a debate like this a few decades ago.<br />
About texting: there are videos on the net on 35 wpm iPhone typists and their phones are (obviously) 2 or 3 days old so this is the max. amount of time they&#8217;ve spent practicing it. </p>
<p>Cs</p>
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		<title>By: chuBb</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuBb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Average Joes and Janes don‚Äôt understand 3G&quot;

in the USA maybe, think you will find that in europe and the rest of the mobile using world that they do.  Maybe not on a technical level, but they sure as hell know when something takes &#039;too long&#039;.

the average &#039;chav&#039; (equiv to a redneck i guess) are obsessed by 3g.
even more importantly they tend to be obsessed with text messaging, i really think the iPhone is going to struggle in the UK, with its lack of tactile feedback.  Most of my friends who primarily use there phones for text messaging do so often without looking at the screen, pretty much like how a good touch typist does with a full keyboard.  Often whilst in conversation with someone else, if they then have to overtly shift there focus to reply to a message, or relearn how to text it will not be popular, never mind the fact it will be very difficult get people interested in any of the features apart from the interface, as when the iphone gets a world wide rollout it will effectivly be a middle of the range handset from four years ago with a fancy interface, and comparable features to anything found on a walkman phone or any other 3g phone, just with a swish interface.

basically i think the iPhone will be a success in the US, due to lower expectations for your mobile services, but it will need more than its pretty looks to get anywhere in the rest of world/countries/areas with 3g coverage.  Although 3g is not ubiquitous through out europe, its next to impossible to not get 3g coverage in the larger towns and cities, to the extent where 3g has all but relegated wi-fi hotspots in the uk to nice little areas for people to pass time at in between meetings waiting for a train or plane, and you would struggle to get funding to startup a hotspot service</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Average Joes and Janes don‚Äôt understand 3G&#8221;</p>
<p>in the USA maybe, think you will find that in europe and the rest of the mobile using world that they do.  Maybe not on a technical level, but they sure as hell know when something takes &#8216;too long&#8217;.</p>
<p>the average &#8216;chav&#8217; (equiv to a redneck i guess) are obsessed by 3g.<br />
even more importantly they tend to be obsessed with text messaging, i really think the iPhone is going to struggle in the UK, with its lack of tactile feedback.  Most of my friends who primarily use there phones for text messaging do so often without looking at the screen, pretty much like how a good touch typist does with a full keyboard.  Often whilst in conversation with someone else, if they then have to overtly shift there focus to reply to a message, or relearn how to text it will not be popular, never mind the fact it will be very difficult get people interested in any of the features apart from the interface, as when the iphone gets a world wide rollout it will effectivly be a middle of the range handset from four years ago with a fancy interface, and comparable features to anything found on a walkman phone or any other 3g phone, just with a swish interface.</p>
<p>basically i think the iPhone will be a success in the US, due to lower expectations for your mobile services, but it will need more than its pretty looks to get anywhere in the rest of world/countries/areas with 3g coverage.  Although 3g is not ubiquitous through out europe, its next to impossible to not get 3g coverage in the larger towns and cities, to the extent where 3g has all but relegated wi-fi hotspots in the uk to nice little areas for people to pass time at in between meetings waiting for a train or plane, and you would struggle to get funding to startup a hotspot service</p>
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		<title>By: Csaba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Csaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carlo,

Russell Buckley (your co-author?) predicted less that 100.000 iPhones for 2007 on this very web site. 
So I guess there was some doubt on his part :)

Average Joes and Janes don&#039;t understand 3G and the few shortcomings that iPhone has currently so they don&#039;t care much if Jobs gets mobility or not. They will buy it if they have that kind of money just because the experience simply blows. 

Let me tell you a short story. About 2 years ago our company received a PowerMac from Apple for some reasons. We have nothing but PCs at that time. The Mac looked cool and did some cool tricks so slowly and reluctantly we started to play with it. Now, I&#039;m writing this on a MacBook Pro, half of my colleagues have MacBooks and iMacs, the registration code processing and handling of my Symbian software products are handled by a Mac etc. We are developers, we are trying to make objective decisions, but it seems no one can resist. The experience simply blows. Hardware and software perfectly made together. I was a PC guy, and I didn&#039;t understand what was the big deal with these expensive Apple stuff. Now I understand. And there is no doubt in me that iPhone is going to be huge success. 


Cs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carlo,</p>
<p>Russell Buckley (your co-author?) predicted less that 100.000 iPhones for 2007 on this very web site.<br />
So I guess there was some doubt on his part <img src='http://mobhappy.com/blog1/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Average Joes and Janes don&#8217;t understand 3G and the few shortcomings that iPhone has currently so they don&#8217;t care much if Jobs gets mobility or not. They will buy it if they have that kind of money just because the experience simply blows. </p>
<p>Let me tell you a short story. About 2 years ago our company received a PowerMac from Apple for some reasons. We have nothing but PCs at that time. The Mac looked cool and did some cool tricks so slowly and reluctantly we started to play with it. Now, I&#8217;m writing this on a MacBook Pro, half of my colleagues have MacBooks and iMacs, the registration code processing and handling of my Symbian software products are handled by a Mac etc. We are developers, we are trying to make objective decisions, but it seems no one can resist. The experience simply blows. Hardware and software perfectly made together. I was a PC guy, and I didn&#8217;t understand what was the big deal with these expensive Apple stuff. Now I understand. And there is no doubt in me that iPhone is going to be huge success. </p>
<p>Cs</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo Longino</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/06/29/steve-jobs-doesnt-get-mobile-completely-full-of-it-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-105692</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo Longino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there was ever any doubt that the iPhone would sell strongly at its launch. But let&#039;s wait a little bit to see if this momentum can be sustained, and just how many average Joes and Janes -- that aren&#039;t mobile geeks and/or Apple fanatics -- actually buy them before calling it a huge success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there was ever any doubt that the iPhone would sell strongly at its launch. But let&#8217;s wait a little bit to see if this momentum can be sustained, and just how many average Joes and Janes &#8212; that aren&#8217;t mobile geeks and/or Apple fanatics &#8212; actually buy them before calling it a huge success.</p>
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		<title>By: Csaba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Csaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems Jobs gets mobility or at least he understands what people want (as always): 

Bloomberg: Apple May Have Sold 700,000 IPhones, Beating Estimate
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=a6YRRDri.RfE&amp;refer=home

Maybe the numbers are wrong, but no matter how you cut it the iPhone is a HUGE success. I can&#039;t wait for the European release... I will trash my S60 Nokia in that very moment. I tell this as a Symbian developer and software publisher. 

Csaba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems Jobs gets mobility or at least he understands what people want (as always): </p>
<p>Bloomberg: Apple May Have Sold 700,000 IPhones, Beating Estimate<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=a6YRRDri.RfE&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=a6YRRDri.RfE&#038;refer=home</a></p>
<p>Maybe the numbers are wrong, but no matter how you cut it the iPhone is a HUGE success. I can&#8217;t wait for the European release&#8230; I will trash my S60 Nokia in that very moment. I tell this as a Symbian developer and software publisher. </p>
<p>Csaba</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 03:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is the problem with the bluetooth not with the wifi. I had the same problem with my old razr, battery used to drain like hell with bluetooth on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is the problem with the bluetooth not with the wifi. I had the same problem with my old razr, battery used to drain like hell with bluetooth on.</p>
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