Comments on: Wading Into The N95 Crippling Furor http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/ Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology. Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:56:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: ben arrowsmith http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/comment-page-1/#comment-115793 ben arrowsmith Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:17:59 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/#comment-115793 i just recieved a new hand set, debranded it and i'm happy. I guess those who want voip services can access them eventually and those who don't won't. You can always change network. I like orange, and my n95. i just recieved a new hand set, debranded it and i’m happy. I guess those who want voip services can access them eventually and those who don’t won’t. You can always change network. I like orange, and my n95.

]]> By: Elwyn Jenkins http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/comment-page-1/#comment-102223 Elwyn Jenkins Tue, 01 May 2007 02:04:51 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/#comment-102223 Thanks for the detailed coverage on this subject. VoiP is going to reduce mobile costs -- and any other phone costs. Any phone company blocking this will regret it as my feet will go where the costs are cheaper. Better the phone company gets something instead of nothing. Your site is a definite read for those who read my blog. I will recommend your site any time. Thanks for the detailed coverage on this subject. VoiP is going to reduce mobile costs — and any other phone costs. Any phone company blocking this will regret it as my feet will go where the costs are cheaper. Better the phone company gets something instead of nothing. Your site is a definite read for those who read my blog. I will recommend your site any time.

]]> By: lewis conerly http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/comment-page-1/#comment-102081 lewis conerly Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:44:40 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/#comment-102081 really good post and very balanced view however, you missed one important facet of the argument. networks wish to block the service. if they wish to go down this route, be transparent. AND then be forward thinking and offer a service that comparable in quality and innovation incl value for money and play the voip operators at their game. thats the way to do it and i think thats where they have messed up. its almost as if they want to keep a nation of dumbed down mobile users in the sweaty palms of user compliance and not want to encourage and invoke 3G / Data usage - I mean ...... they did all pay millions for the 3G licences, which seem to be all going to waste. the goverment made a pretty penny and is laughing all the way to the bank, unlike the operators who are still trying to find money to even begin to scrape back ! lewis really good post and very balanced view however, you missed one important facet of the argument.

networks wish to block the service.

if they wish to go down this route, be transparent.

AND then be forward thinking and offer a service that comparable in quality and innovation incl value for money and play the voip operators at their game.

thats the way to do it and i think thats where they have messed up.

its almost as if they want to keep a nation of dumbed down mobile users in the sweaty palms of user compliance and not want to encourage and invoke 3G / Data usage – I mean …… they did all pay millions for the 3G licences, which seem to be all going to waste.

the goverment made a pretty penny and is laughing all the way to the bank, unlike the operators who are still trying to find money to even begin to scrape back !

lewis

]]> By: Mark Beveridge » Nokia N95 - some issues http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/comment-page-1/#comment-101920 Mark Beveridge » Nokia N95 - some issues Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:13:12 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/#comment-101920 [...] Operator-disabled features : Orange and Vodafone in the UK have disabled some features, to prevent SIP use, and prevent 3rd-party VoIP apps (which support SIP) from integrating with other features. This is at odds with their advertising, and UK Trading Standards and OfCom are getting involved. The Truphone video [via Andy Abramson] explains some of it. I want to try other VoIP apps …and to use wifi as the bearer, when available, not be forced to use cellular by the operator. (I’d prefer not to pay the upfront cost for a SIM-free version, nor switch from Orange). [...] [...] Operator-disabled features : Orange and Vodafone in the UK have disabled some features, to prevent SIP use, and prevent 3rd-party VoIP apps (which support SIP) from integrating with other features. This is at odds with their advertising, and UK Trading Standards and OfCom are getting involved. The Truphone video [via Andy Abramson] explains some of it. I want to try other VoIP apps …and to use wifi as the bearer, when available, not be forced to use cellular by the operator. (I’d prefer not to pay the upfront cost for a SIM-free version, nor switch from Orange). [...]

]]> By: Tarek http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/comment-page-1/#comment-101913 Tarek Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:14:55 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/#comment-101913 Tim - A contract you get from an operator isn't all about the subsidy, it's also about the package of calls/text/data you get as well. To get the device for a cheap initial payment or indeed for free, you tie yourself to a high monthly payment which includes a large amount of free minutes/texts/data. However on a 12 month contract you are only tied to this rate for 6/8 months after which you can change to a lower monthly payment if it suits you. So to me that means the subsidy part is done after 6/8 months and the rest is just the user paying for their connection package. As for payments continuing after the contract is over, well that was part of the contract that the user signed in the first place and is no different to a gym membership or a Sky contract or a broadband contract. The user is still getting the service after all. At the end of the day I look at it like this: If I have a sim-free phone already and want a contract sim to use in it, I still have to sign on for 12 or 18 months and pay a similar (if not the same as I'm use my phone a lot) monthly payment as those who got a phone for free or for very little. Even though that might not be fair it's still a hell of a lot cheaper that if I were using a PAYG sim. Tim – A contract you get from an operator isn’t all about the subsidy, it’s also about the package of calls/text/data you get as well.

To get the device for a cheap initial payment or indeed for free, you tie yourself to a high monthly payment which includes a large amount of free minutes/texts/data. However on a 12 month contract you are only tied to this rate for 6/8 months after which you can change to a lower monthly payment if it suits you. So to me that means the subsidy part is done after 6/8 months and the rest is just the user paying for their connection package.

As for payments continuing after the contract is over, well that was part of the contract that the user signed in the first place and is no different to a gym membership or a Sky contract or a broadband contract. The user is still getting the service after all.

At the end of the day I look at it like this: If I have a sim-free phone already and want a contract sim to use in it, I still have to sign on for 12 or 18 months and pay a similar (if not the same as I’m use my phone a lot) monthly payment as those who got a phone for free or for very little. Even though that might not be fair it’s still a hell of a lot cheaper that if I were using a PAYG sim.

]]> By: Tim, Truphone http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/comment-page-1/#comment-101900 Tim, Truphone Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:49:27 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/04/24/wading-into-the-n95-crippling-furor/#comment-101900 Hi Carlo, A good post - as you note, there has been a lot polarised opinion. But to put it in context, the fuss/frenzy to which you twice refer has been self-sustaining: the issue has clearly touched a nerve. It's also true to say that Truphone is not anti-subsidy, but it is against subsidy abuse. You can see a relevant view from Truphone here: http://www.ccnmatthews.com/news/releases/show.jsp?action=showRelease&searchText=false&showText=all&actionFor=647239 I've seen some interesting analogies for the subsidy model - notably the one that likens subsidies to a loan, in that you commit to repay X pounds per month for 18 months. I can't help thinking, though, that this is the only loan I can think of whereby, having had the 'loan' repaid after 18 months, the lender then continues to take 'repayments' at exactly the same rate until the 'borrower' notices! Tim. Hi Carlo,
A good post – as you note, there has been a lot polarised opinion. But to put it in context, the fuss/frenzy to which you twice refer has been self-sustaining: the issue has clearly touched a nerve.
It’s also true to say that Truphone is not anti-subsidy, but it is against subsidy abuse. You can see a relevant view from Truphone here: http://www.ccnmatthews.com/news/releases/show.jsp?action=showRelease&searchText=false&showText=all&actionFor=647239
I’ve seen some interesting analogies for the subsidy model – notably the one that likens subsidies to a loan, in that you commit to repay X pounds per month for 18 months. I can’t help thinking, though, that this is the only loan I can think of whereby, having had the ‘loan’ repaid after 18 months, the lender then continues to take ‘repayments’ at exactly the same rate until the ‘borrower’ notices!
Tim.

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