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	<title>Comments on: 3, Oh How You Make Me Feel Conflicted</title>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Brown</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-56268</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more point on pricing...

Does anyone know if there&#039;s evidence of positive price elasticity in the wireless data market?

Intuitively, this should be the case... but is it?

Maybe operators have worked out thay may as well hold the line on pricing... then when the good phones and apps come along we&#039;ll all feel better about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more point on pricing&#8230;</p>
<p>Does anyone know if there&#8217;s evidence of positive price elasticity in the wireless data market?</p>
<p>Intuitively, this should be the case&#8230; but is it?</p>
<p>Maybe operators have worked out thay may as well hold the line on pricing&#8230; then when the good phones and apps come along we&#8217;ll all feel better about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Brown</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-56264</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, those are restrictive T&amp;Cs. Are they enforced?

I have an HSPA test unit from T-Mob and it can do all those things. But I haven&#039;t paid for it  -- perhaps you need a more expensive plan for the good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, those are restrictive T&amp;Cs. Are they enforced?</p>
<p>I have an HSPA test unit from T-Mob and it can do all those things. But I haven&#8217;t paid for it  &#8212; perhaps you need a more expensive plan for the good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarek</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-56133</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>¬£12 sounds fine when you consider the T&amp;C that come with the ¬£7.50 Web&amp;Walk. From the T-Moible website:

&quot;To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, they are not to be used for other activities such as (but not limited to): modem access for computers, internet based video/audio streaming services, peer to peer file sharing, internet based video download and internet based telephony. If such use is detected, notice may be given, after which network protection controls may be applied which will result in a reduced speed of transmission.&quot;

Orange&#039;s flat rate data plan has similar conditions. Granted, we haven&#039;t seen what conditions 3 are going to set for this new service yet, but from what I&#039;ve seen so far it looks like a better choice. And since 3 have been testing HSDPA upgrades on their network in Central London since June, it shouldn&#039;t be long till we see some HSDPA-Compatible phones in the X-Series range (Nokia N95 let&#039;s hope).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>¬£12 sounds fine when you consider the T&amp;C that come with the ¬£7.50 Web&amp;Walk. From the T-Moible website:</p>
<p>&#8220;To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, they are not to be used for other activities such as (but not limited to): modem access for computers, internet based video/audio streaming services, peer to peer file sharing, internet based video download and internet based telephony. If such use is detected, notice may be given, after which network protection controls may be applied which will result in a reduced speed of transmission.&#8221;</p>
<p>Orange&#8217;s flat rate data plan has similar conditions. Granted, we haven&#8217;t seen what conditions 3 are going to set for this new service yet, but from what I&#8217;ve seen so far it looks like a better choice. And since 3 have been testing HSDPA upgrades on their network in Central London since June, it shouldn&#8217;t be long till we see some HSDPA-Compatible phones in the X-Series range (Nokia N95 let&#8217;s hope).</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Brown</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-56063</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dean:

How does ¬£12 and ¬£18 compare to T-Mobile&#039;s ¬£7.50 for Web&#039;n&#039;Walk?

Kudos to T-Mob for setting the benchmark. 3 need to come in around this level.

Oh, and it needs to launch HSPA.

Overall, the concept is a good one. Let&#039;s see if 3 fluffs it at the last minute, or if they&#039;re really going to stand behind what they pitch.

-gabe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dean:</p>
<p>How does ¬£12 and ¬£18 compare to T-Mobile&#8217;s ¬£7.50 for Web&#8217;n'Walk?</p>
<p>Kudos to T-Mob for setting the benchmark. 3 need to come in around this level.</p>
<p>Oh, and it needs to launch HSPA.</p>
<p>Overall, the concept is a good one. Let&#8217;s see if 3 fluffs it at the last minute, or if they&#8217;re really going to stand behind what they pitch.</p>
<p>-gabe</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Bubley</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-55288</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Bubley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, it will be a two-tier flatrate, not &quot;per application&quot;

Tier 1: Web browsing, email, IM, Skype
Tier 2: Rich streaming media / placeshifting ie Orb &amp; Sling

Not sure what happens if you sign up to Tier 1 and there&#039;s streaming elements in a web page - could just be it&#039;s downgraded in QoS or bitrate.

Also not sure where other IP traffic from downloaded clients will go, eg VPN, other IM, packet VoIP etc.

I&#039;ll have a wild guess at the two tiers being ¬£12 and ¬£18 / month, with 300M and 2GB caps respectively... anyone else want to take a punt?

Dean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, it will be a two-tier flatrate, not &#8220;per application&#8221;</p>
<p>Tier 1: Web browsing, email, IM, Skype<br />
Tier 2: Rich streaming media / placeshifting ie Orb &amp; Sling</p>
<p>Not sure what happens if you sign up to Tier 1 and there&#8217;s streaming elements in a web page &#8211; could just be it&#8217;s downgraded in QoS or bitrate.</p>
<p>Also not sure where other IP traffic from downloaded clients will go, eg VPN, other IM, packet VoIP etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have a wild guess at the two tiers being ¬£12 and ¬£18 / month, with 300M and 2GB caps respectively&#8230; anyone else want to take a punt?</p>
<p>Dean</p>
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		<title>By: X-Series, nieuwe mijlpaal voor mobiel internet at MarcAThing.com</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-55036</link>
		<dc:creator>X-Series, nieuwe mijlpaal voor mobiel internet at MarcAThing.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/#comment-55036</guid>
		<description>[...] Er wordt al veel over geschreven en dat is ook terecht denk ik. http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/ http://www.mobilemarketingmagazine.co.uk/2006/11/xseries_from_3_.html [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Er wordt al veel over geschreven en dat is ook terecht denk ik. <a href="http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/" rel="nofollow">http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/</a> <a href="http://www.mobilemarketingmagazine.co.uk/2006/11/xseries_from_3_.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mobilemarketingmagazine.co.uk/2006/11/xseries_from_3_.html</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Ballinger</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-54750</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Ballinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strongly agree with you that this is very significant. As I ramble on about in more detail over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://mobile-reflections.blogspot.com/2006/11/flat-rate-for-data-now-norm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my blog&lt;/a&gt; I think we might be starting to see the tipping point over to flat rate being the normal way things are done.

Very ironic it comes from 3!

In reply to Anders comment above I would say that though we need to wait and see what nasty &quot;fair use&quot; conditions etc. they put in, they do say that &quot;what‚Äôs free to use on the internet should be free to use on mobile broadband&quot; which is a fairly strong pointer.

Geoff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strongly agree with you that this is very significant. As I ramble on about in more detail over at <a href="http://mobile-reflections.blogspot.com/2006/11/flat-rate-for-data-now-norm.html" rel="nofollow">my blog</a> I think we might be starting to see the tipping point over to flat rate being the normal way things are done.</p>
<p>Very ironic it comes from 3!</p>
<p>In reply to Anders comment above I would say that though we need to wait and see what nasty &#8220;fair use&#8221; conditions etc. they put in, they do say that &#8220;what‚Äôs free to use on the internet should be free to use on mobile broadband&#8221; which is a fairly strong pointer.</p>
<p>Geoff.</p>
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		<title>By: GigaOM &#187; iSkoot, not Skype launched on Symbian</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-53430</link>
		<dc:creator>GigaOM &#187; iSkoot, not Skype launched on Symbian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The company is betting that the XSeries effort, a way to bring Internet services such as iSkoot (Skype) and Sling Media will make it more appetizing to consumers. This forced openeness has our good friend Carlo Longino in a bit of a swoon. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The company is betting that the XSeries effort, a way to bring Internet services such as iSkoot (Skype) and Sling Media will make it more appetizing to consumers. This forced openeness has our good friend Carlo Longino in a bit of a swoon. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OIM</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-53215</link>
		<dc:creator>OIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a historic day for mobile internet!! It will definitively unlock the real value of Internet access on the go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a historic day for mobile internet!! It will definitively unlock the real value of Internet access on the go.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Brown</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/11/17/3-oh-how-you-make-me-feel-conflicted/comment-page-1/#comment-53049</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 appears to be going in the right direction, but without any pricing information it‚Äôs still all spin.

It looks like they mean ‚Äúflat-rate‚Äù on a per application basis ‚Äì so you pay X amount per month for unlimited Skype, or X amount for Sling Media.

3 says its partners will be entitled to a cut of the revenues from users accessing their services. 

If it turns out this way, it‚Äôs not flat-rate as we know it. It‚Äôs an interesting approach, however.

More from me here: http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=110879 

-Gabe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 appears to be going in the right direction, but without any pricing information it‚Äôs still all spin.</p>
<p>It looks like they mean ‚Äúflat-rate‚Äù on a per application basis ‚Äì so you pay X amount per month for unlimited Skype, or X amount for Sling Media.</p>
<p>3 says its partners will be entitled to a cut of the revenues from users accessing their services. </p>
<p>If it turns out this way, it‚Äôs not flat-rate as we know it. It‚Äôs an interesting approach, however.</p>
<p>More from me here: <a href="http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=110879" rel="nofollow">http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=110879</a> </p>
<p>-Gabe</p>
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