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	<description>Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology.</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wap Review</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/10/19/location-is-better-than-mobile-tv/#comment-47137</link>
		<dc:creator>Wap Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mojeo - LBS on any phone...&lt;/strong&gt;

I saw Mojeo presented at the Mobile 2.0 Event in San Francisco Monday as part of a Launchpad presentation spotlighting new services.  I wasn't too impressed with the presentation which was brief and lacking in details, but I did jot down "mojeo.mobi,...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mojeo - LBS on any phone&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I saw Mojeo presented at the Mobile 2.0 Event in San Francisco Monday as part of a Launchpad presentation spotlighting new services.  I wasn&#8217;t too impressed with the presentation which was brief and lacking in details, but I did jot down &#8220;mojeo.mobi,&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/10/19/location-is-better-than-mobile-tv/#comment-41193</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually there is a company called Cityneo http://www.cityneo.com in Europe that created an application called MovingBlog based on geolocalized usergenerated content available on mobile devices as well as on the web.

It's really interesting. I had the opportunity to meet with them at the last GSM world congress in Barcelona. Pretty cool.
Julian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually there is a company called Cityneo <a href="http://www.cityneo.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cityneo.com</a> in Europe that created an application called MovingBlog based on geolocalized usergenerated content available on mobile devices as well as on the web.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really interesting. I had the opportunity to meet with them at the last GSM world congress in Barcelona. Pretty cool.<br />
Julian</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/10/19/location-is-better-than-mobile-tv/#comment-38812</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the US the founder and former CEO of mobliss has started a new company called Useful Networks that is working as a cross-carrier LBS info aggregator - http://www.useful-networks.com/

more about some of my favorite LBS apps (and why I think it’s too early in the game to hate on mobile TV) at twofones: 
http://twofones.typepad.com/twofones/2006/10/it_aint_where_y.html

- g</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the US the founder and former CEO of mobliss has started a new company called Useful Networks that is working as a cross-carrier LBS info aggregator - <a href="http://www.useful-networks.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.useful-networks.com/</a></p>
<p>more about some of my favorite LBS apps (and why I think it’s too early in the game to hate on mobile TV) at twofones:<br />
<a href="http://twofones.typepad.com/twofones/2006/10/it_aint_where_y.html" rel="nofollow">http://twofones.typepad.com/twofones/2006/10/it_aint_where_y.html</a></p>
<p>- g</p>
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		<title>By: Christen O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/10/19/location-is-better-than-mobile-tv/#comment-37889</link>
		<dc:creator>Christen O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you, Russell. I recently had a chance to see a MobiTV demo and while it was novel to watch TV on a phone, I don't think I would ever use it. BUT -- I am constantly finding myself in situations where I NEED LBS. There's a lot of cool companies out there innovating this space, along with Loopt. A bunch of them will be featured at the next Under the Radar: Mobility conference on 11/16. More info here: http://undertheradarblog.com/under-the-radar-mobility-conference/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you, Russell. I recently had a chance to see a MobiTV demo and while it was novel to watch TV on a phone, I don&#8217;t think I would ever use it. BUT &#8212; I am constantly finding myself in situations where I NEED LBS. There&#8217;s a lot of cool companies out there innovating this space, along with Loopt. A bunch of them will be featured at the next Under the Radar: Mobility conference on 11/16. More info here: <a href="http://undertheradarblog.com/under-the-radar-mobility-conference/" rel="nofollow">http://undertheradarblog.com/under-the-radar-mobility-conference/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Brown</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/10/19/location-is-better-than-mobile-tv/#comment-37844</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I'm at it, and we're on the subject, one of my favourite mobile services is a tie-up between Orange and London Transport.

The way it works is, you open the browser and it finds your nearest public transport (it's fairly and reliably accurate), you select your station/stop, and continue with the journey planner app.

It's good because:

1/ You don't have to type your location into your phone. This alone makes it useful and means I use it even when I know where I am.

2/ Even though I live in London and mostly know where I am, sometimes I don't. It's a big place.

3/ It shows how good it can be when a network works togeher with an application specialist. (Obvioulsy, Orange does not have intimate knowledge of London Transport System and timetables) 

Not sure if other networks in the UK have this, but I'm always surprised more people don't rave about it -- maybe I should get a life :)

Whenever I show it to people, they're always like "Uh, i never knew you could do that."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m at it, and we&#8217;re on the subject, one of my favourite mobile services is a tie-up between Orange and London Transport.</p>
<p>The way it works is, you open the browser and it finds your nearest public transport (it&#8217;s fairly and reliably accurate), you select your station/stop, and continue with the journey planner app.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good because:</p>
<p>1/ You don&#8217;t have to type your location into your phone. This alone makes it useful and means I use it even when I know where I am.</p>
<p>2/ Even though I live in London and mostly know where I am, sometimes I don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s a big place.</p>
<p>3/ It shows how good it can be when a network works togeher with an application specialist. (Obvioulsy, Orange does not have intimate knowledge of London Transport System and timetables) </p>
<p>Not sure if other networks in the UK have this, but I&#8217;m always surprised more people don&#8217;t rave about it &#8212; maybe I should get a life <img src='http://mobhappy.com/blog1/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Whenever I show it to people, they&#8217;re always like &#8220;Uh, i never knew you could do that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi MobHappy,

Of all the mobile/wireless developers I've met this past year, location is the thing that gets them most excited (large &#38; small companies). Most of the demos I've seen at large comanies are NDA, but have a look at Jaiku (http://www.jaiku.com/) 

I ran into these guys at the Symbian show this week. They can approximate the location of a handset through knowldge of the GSM network timing to a kilometer or so radius, without the carrier being involved (or knowing anything about it).

On top of this they layer context and presence to create, well, a social-networking app.

The problem I see is getting any kind of momentum (i.e. enough of your buddies to use it) behind this kind of thing.

-gabe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi MobHappy,</p>
<p>Of all the mobile/wireless developers I&#8217;ve met this past year, location is the thing that gets them most excited (large &amp; small companies). Most of the demos I&#8217;ve seen at large comanies are NDA, but have a look at Jaiku (http://www.jaiku.com/) </p>
<p>I ran into these guys at the Symbian show this week. They can approximate the location of a handset through knowldge of the GSM network timing to a kilometer or so radius, without the carrier being involved (or knowing anything about it).</p>
<p>On top of this they layer context and presence to create, well, a social-networking app.</p>
<p>The problem I see is getting any kind of momentum (i.e. enough of your buddies to use it) behind this kind of thing.</p>
<p>-gabe</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Buckley</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/10/19/location-is-better-than-mobile-tv/#comment-37784</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - yep. Couldn't agree more. Most early experiments were obviously deployed without much real thought about how people use them and find-my-nearest ATM, petrol station etc typified this approach.

I do think that a nearest restaurant/bar guide is a little different - in major cities, it could be as useful for residents and visitors alike. But I think it needs a big injection of User Generated Content to really take off and be useful.

But I think the real key for take up will be when we can use the phone as a virtual mouse to connect the real world with the digital.

Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve - yep. Couldn&#8217;t agree more. Most early experiments were obviously deployed without much real thought about how people use them and find-my-nearest ATM, petrol station etc typified this approach.</p>
<p>I do think that a nearest restaurant/bar guide is a little different - in major cities, it could be as useful for residents and visitors alike. But I think it needs a big injection of User Generated Content to really take off and be useful.</p>
<p>But I think the real key for take up will be when we can use the phone as a virtual mouse to connect the real world with the digital.</p>
<p>Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Devo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Devo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

  LBS is great.  Just thought I'd get that is first.
  However most of the services to date have been a "locate me, and tell where an XYZ is" eg find an ATM.
  I believe teh failure of these is because most people spend most of their time in an area they know. Therefore it is relatively rare to find oneself in a "strange" location, and then want to discover a local XYZ.  Thus the association between your phone and searching for real world things is not made by teh consumer,  and when they are stuck,  they turn to more traditional methods.

  So i believe that these services will not take off until other LBS services create teh association of phone and location.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>  LBS is great.  Just thought I&#8217;d get that is first.<br />
  However most of the services to date have been a &#8220;locate me, and tell where an XYZ is&#8221; eg find an ATM.<br />
  I believe teh failure of these is because most people spend most of their time in an area they know. Therefore it is relatively rare to find oneself in a &#8220;strange&#8221; location, and then want to discover a local XYZ.  Thus the association between your phone and searching for real world things is not made by teh consumer,  and when they are stuck,  they turn to more traditional methods.</p>
<p>  So i believe that these services will not take off until other LBS services create teh association of phone and location.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Buckley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter - there are possible "work arounds" as far as carriers are concerned, normally requiring the consumer to manually input some data or push their location in some way to the service provider. But in the context of pace by pace navigation, buddy finders or even find-my-nearest, I haven't seen a comparible solution. They may be out there and I don't profess to be the fount of all knowledge.

Reno - in fairness, I can't possible mention everyone in this space every time I mention LBS. Yes, I did some consulting for Loopt and when I mentioned them originally I made this clear and I linked back to that post here. Besides which I don't know every player in the space and can't really be expected to.

But I am happy to feature anyone else doing anything interesting in mobile and LBS if they let me know about what they're up to, I think they're interesting and/or if I come across them elsewhere.

Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter - there are possible &#8220;work arounds&#8221; as far as carriers are concerned, normally requiring the consumer to manually input some data or push their location in some way to the service provider. But in the context of pace by pace navigation, buddy finders or even find-my-nearest, I haven&#8217;t seen a comparible solution. They may be out there and I don&#8217;t profess to be the fount of all knowledge.</p>
<p>Reno - in fairness, I can&#8217;t possible mention everyone in this space every time I mention LBS. Yes, I did some consulting for Loopt and when I mentioned them originally I made this clear and I linked back to that post here. Besides which I don&#8217;t know every player in the space and can&#8217;t really be expected to.</p>
<p>But I am happy to feature anyone else doing anything interesting in mobile and LBS if they let me know about what they&#8217;re up to, I think they&#8217;re interesting and/or if I come across them elsewhere.</p>
<p>Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Weston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Video calling and messaging (different from video content creation), is picking up in line with sensible video tariffs for 3G approaching parity with voice tariffs.  We are already seeing Digital Natives acting in surprising ways over video:

- Video treating (home-made erotic videos as e-gifts to lovers)
- Cab driver protection (video the cab driver and send to mates for extra security)
- Video gloating (showing off: tricks, purchases, girlfriends)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video calling and messaging (different from video content creation), is picking up in line with sensible video tariffs for 3G approaching parity with voice tariffs.  We are already seeing Digital Natives acting in surprising ways over video:</p>
<p>- Video treating (home-made erotic videos as e-gifts to lovers)<br />
- Cab driver protection (video the cab driver and send to mates for extra security)<br />
- Video gloating (showing off: tricks, purchases, girlfriends)</p>
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