Comments on: What’s .mobi Playing At Now? http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/ Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology. Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:56:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: .mobi Auctions Raise More Questions Than They Answer at MobHappy http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-41591 .mobi Auctions Raise More Questions Than They Answer at MobHappy Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:26:03 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-41591 [...] I’m not going to rehash my point of view on .mobi; I’ve done so plenty before, and plenty of holes have been poked in their plans on other sites as well. Needless to say, I’m not a big fan. And I find their plans to auction off so-called premium domains nothing short of ridiculous. The justification is that the process keeps the domain names out of the hands of “parties who would only sell them on the aftermarket”. These auctions do nothing nothing of the sort; they simply take money that would otherwise be spent in the secondary market and put it in mTLD’s pockets, furthering the opinion that .mobi is little more than a massive moneygrab. [...] [...] I’m not going to rehash my point of view on .mobi; I’ve done so plenty before, and plenty of holes have been poked in their plans on other sites as well. Needless to say, I’m not a big fan. And I find their plans to auction off so-called premium domains nothing short of ridiculous. The justification is that the process keeps the domain names out of the hands of “parties who would only sell them on the aftermarket”. These auctions do nothing nothing of the sort; they simply take money that would otherwise be spent in the secondary market and put it in mTLD’s pockets, furthering the opinion that .mobi is little more than a massive moneygrab. [...]

]]> By: Vijay http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-31719 Vijay Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:15:41 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-31719 Hey guys .. im really a rookie .. and im on no assignment here .. but what i thought i need to determine, is the flipside of .mobi .. as a TLD .. in it self .. i guess it doesnt really target a specific niche of audience .. and on the one hand it is purely a platform or interface oriented model .. what im really concernd is abt why and how ICANN gave .mobi's introduction a nod .. .mobi im sure most of u are aware , is backed by thirteen major companies including Ericsson, GSM Association, Google, Hutchison, Microsoft, Nokia, Orascom Telecom, Samsung Electronics, Syniverse, Telefonica Moviles, TIM (Telecom Italia), T-Mobile and Vodaphone, All these Corporations are Massive in their own sense .. But are they really focussed on making the internet a more enriching experience .. or is it just that .. they know that a merger of this magnitude is a sign of the rise of a New Monopoly .. ? I mean .. In the case of Most Sponsored TLD's .. it is a merger of organizations which have specific interest in the growth of the sector that they are responsible for.. eg .travel... but what is ICANNS agenda here .. ?? do they soon want a parallel internet .. ..i mean i agree that the total domain name usage today is approximately 65 million . .but .mobi is a sophisticated technique of gaining an edge over most of the Gtlds ... given the solid support .. and a targett audience 4times that of all the other CCTLD's AND GTLD's in existance .. where is the MTLD .. headed .. ?? i dont know who has the answers .. but if any of u happen to think of any .. let me know .. Hey guys .. im really a rookie .. and im on no assignment here .. but what i thought i need to determine, is the flipside of .mobi .. as a TLD .. in it self .. i guess it doesnt really target a specific niche of audience .. and on the one hand it is purely a platform or interface oriented model ..
what im really concernd is abt why and how ICANN gave .mobi’s introduction a nod ..
.mobi im sure most of u are aware , is backed by thirteen major companies including Ericsson, GSM Association, Google, Hutchison, Microsoft, Nokia, Orascom Telecom, Samsung Electronics, Syniverse, Telefonica Moviles, TIM (Telecom Italia), T-Mobile and Vodaphone,
All these Corporations are Massive in their own sense .. But are they really focussed on making the internet a more enriching experience .. or is it just that .. they know that a merger of this magnitude is a sign of the rise of a New Monopoly .. ?
I mean .. In the case of Most Sponsored TLD’s .. it is a merger of organizations which have specific interest in the growth of the sector that they are responsible for.. eg .travel…
but what is ICANNS agenda here .. ?? do they soon want a parallel internet .. ..i mean i agree that the total domain name usage today is approximately 65 million . .but .mobi is a sophisticated technique of gaining an edge over most of the Gtlds … given the solid support .. and a targett audience 4times that of all the other CCTLD’s AND GTLD’s in existance ..
where is the MTLD .. headed .. ??
i dont know who has the answers .. but if any of u happen to think of any .. let me know ..

]]> By: Carlo Longino http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-27035 Carlo Longino Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:40:58 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-27035 Ronan, Perhaps Enrique's blog (http://cenriqueortiz.com/weblog) would be a better place to answer the criticisms he raised of .mobi. If you're going to comment here, you're more than welcome to address any of the issues I raised, rather than simply miscasting this post as simple criticism of your emulator (as you did at http://dotmobi.typepad.com/dotmobi/2006/08/emulators_mobil.html) and simply ignoring the larger issue I raised surrounding it. Ronan,

Perhaps Enrique’s blog (http://cenriqueortiz.com/weblog) would be a better place to answer the criticisms he raised of .mobi. If you’re going to comment here, you’re more than welcome to address any of the issues I raised, rather than simply miscasting this post as simple criticism of your emulator (as you did at http://dotmobi.typepad.com/dotmobi/2006/08/emulators_mobil.html) and simply ignoring the larger issue I raised surrounding it.

]]> By: Ronan Cremin http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-27034 Ronan Cremin Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:25:38 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-27034 Enrique, While I appreciate your carefully considered opinion on this, and that you've taken the time to state your thoughts carefully, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. I'd like to draw your attention to our blog where we have recently addressed some of the points that you raised. http://dotmobi.typepad.com/dotmobi/misconceptions/index.html Referring to your comment about the user experience (" What gives .mobi folks the right to define what is good or bad experience?"), I think it is very important to note that the dotMobi guide is almost entirely based on the work of the W3C's Mobile Web Initiative. We absolutely agree that dotMobi should not make these decisions in isolation, and it is for this reason that we are key sponsors of this open initiative which draws on the experience of tens of companies world wide in an open and documented manner. Finally, referring to your comment about letting the market decide (" The .mobi folks are trying to bypass the most important piece in the evolution of the (mobile) web - letting the market, the users, decide what is good or not good."), we couldn't agree more, but the problem is that people simply don't seem to realise that browsing on the mobile phone is possible. In a way, this is the whole point of dotMobi -- a URL the lets people know that a site will work on their mobile device. Ronan Enrique,

While I appreciate your carefully considered opinion on this, and that you’ve taken the time to state your thoughts carefully, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. I’d like to draw your attention to our blog where we have recently addressed some of the points that you raised.

http://dotmobi.typepad.com/dotmobi/misconceptions/index.html

Referring to your comment about the user experience (” What gives .mobi folks the right to define what is good or bad experience?”), I think it is very important to note that the dotMobi guide is almost entirely based on the work of the W3C’s Mobile Web Initiative. We absolutely agree that dotMobi should not make these decisions in isolation, and it is for this reason that we are key sponsors of this open initiative which draws on the experience of tens of companies world wide in an open and documented manner.

Finally, referring to your comment about letting the market decide (” The .mobi folks are trying to bypass the most important piece in the evolution of the (mobile) web – letting the market, the users, decide what is good or not good.”), we couldn’t agree more, but the problem is that people simply don’t seem to realise that browsing on the mobile phone is possible. In a way, this is the whole point of dotMobi — a URL the lets people know that a site will work on their mobile device.

Ronan

]]> By: tom gordon http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-26525 tom gordon Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:19:54 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-26525 I've never seen the need for the .mobi TLD, and as someone who provides mobile content sites (and develops for others), I have no interest whatsoever in purchsing or using a .mobi domain. Nicely though my flagship WAP site does render properly in their emulator - but then I'm being lazy and there's no scripts or redirects, just pure WML :) The errors (and a quick check) seem to indicate the emulator itself has been poorly written, as it's obviously ignoring any header redirects that a server may issue, and may even be returning the wrong WML headers or device identification strings - so the BBC (which happily detects my WML-enabled Firefox installation as a web browser, not a WML device), is detecting the emulator as a web browser not as a WML device. I’ve never seen the need for the .mobi TLD, and as someone who provides mobile content sites (and develops for others), I have no interest whatsoever in purchsing or using a .mobi domain.

Nicely though my flagship WAP site does render properly in their emulator – but then I’m being lazy and there’s no scripts or redirects, just pure WML :)

The errors (and a quick check) seem to indicate the emulator itself has been poorly written, as it’s obviously ignoring any header redirects that a server may issue, and may even be returning the wrong WML headers or device identification strings – so the BBC (which happily detects my WML-enabled Firefox installation as a web browser, not a WML device), is detecting the emulator as a web browser not as a WML device.

]]> By: Eli Dickinson http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-26337 Eli Dickinson Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:38:55 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-26337 I think .mobi has its place: as, essentially, a marketing tool for mobile-specific websites. Of course, we could get exactly the same result by just deciding that all mobile sites will live at http://mobile.whatever.com/ and not creating a new TLD. dotMobi doesn't really solve any of the technical problem facing the mobile web, but I don't think you should totally discount the importance of being able to tell new smartphone users that .mobi sites will usually work and usually not look like crap. At least until everyone starts using Opera Mini. (Hmm, didn't expect find myself defending .mobi...) I think .mobi has its place: as, essentially, a marketing tool for mobile-specific websites. Of course, we could get exactly the same result by just deciding that all mobile sites will live at http://mobile.whatever.com/ and not creating a new TLD.

dotMobi doesn’t really solve any of the technical problem facing the mobile web, but I don’t think you should totally discount the importance of being able to tell new smartphone users that .mobi sites will usually work and usually not look like crap. At least until everyone starts using Opera Mini.

(Hmm, didn’t expect find myself defending .mobi…)

]]> By: Smoothplanet - dotmobi emulator http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25854 Smoothplanet - dotmobi emulator Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:39:41 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-25854 [...] Playing At Now? On .mobi Via dotMobi blog2006-08-26 @ 15:37 | mobile development | Comments (0) | PermalinkCommentsNo comments on this post so farLeave a CommentNameEmailURLYour CommentAnti-Spam VerificationCode (please copy to input field) Auto-BR (convert line-breaks to <br> tags)ABOUT ME AND THIS BLOGAbout MeHOT TOPICS ON THIS BLOGFrom tatoo to webloggo.nokia.chKAYWA on Google MobileKAYWA Reader is outLIFT06 > A conference ...QRCode tatooedSemacode for Smoothpla...Semapedia, barcodes fo...MOBILE LIFEAll about mobile lifeCharlie SchickChristian LindholmMobHappyNeo nomadPasta and vinegarPicturephoningRingtoniaRussell Beattie NotebookSmartMobsTextuallyWe make money not artKAYWA LINKSBlogmagazin [de]Blogmagazine [fr]Blogzine [en]KAYWA HomePortalogMY MOBILE WEBiFeedYou MobileMaxpediaWAParoundWapediaWapipedia CATEGORIES Allblogsbookmarksdefaulteventgeekkaywamobile applicationmobile developmentmobile webnomad lifestylenomad technonomad toolssemanticswissweb developmentSEARCH searchARCHIVEAugust¬†2006July¬†2006June¬†2006May¬†2006April¬†2006March¬†2006February¬†2006January¬†2006December¬†2005November¬†2005October¬†2005September¬†2005August¬†2005¬´¬†August¬†2006¬†¬ªMoTuWeThFrSaSu ¬† 12345678910111213141516171819202122232425262728293031 ¬† ¬† ¬† GALLERIESHeaders ¬†[2] Les blogs 2.0 ¬†[24] [...] [...] Playing At Now? On .mobi Via dotMobi blog2006-08-26 @ 15:37 | mobile development | Comments (0) | PermalinkCommentsNo comments on this post so farLeave a CommentNameEmailURLYour CommentAnti-Spam VerificationCode (please copy to input field) Auto-BR (convert line-breaks to <br> tags)ABOUT ME AND THIS BLOGAbout MeHOT TOPICS ON THIS BLOGFrom tatoo to webloggo.nokia.chKAYWA on Google MobileKAYWA Reader is outLIFT06 > A conference …QRCode tatooedSemacode for Smoothpla…Semapedia, barcodes fo…MOBILE LIFEAll about mobile lifeCharlie SchickChristian LindholmMobHappyNeo nomadPasta and vinegarPicturephoningRingtoniaRussell Beattie NotebookSmartMobsTextuallyWe make money not artKAYWA LINKSBlogmagazin [de]Blogmagazine [fr]Blogzine [en]KAYWA HomePortalogMY MOBILE WEBiFeedYou MobileMaxpediaWAParoundWapediaWapipedia CATEGORIES Allblogsbookmarksdefaulteventgeekkaywamobile applicationmobile developmentmobile webnomad lifestylenomad technonomad toolssemanticswissweb developmentSEARCH searchARCHIVEAugust¬†2006July¬†2006June¬†2006May¬†2006April¬†2006March¬†2006February¬†2006January¬†2006December¬†2005November¬†2005October¬†2005September¬†2005August¬†2005¬´¬†August¬†2006¬†¬ªMoTuWeThFrSaSu ¬† 12345678910111213141516171819202122232425262728293031 ¬† ¬† ¬† GALLERIESHeaders ¬†[2] Les blogs 2.0 ¬†[24] [...]

]]> By: C. Enrique Ortiz http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25743 C. Enrique Ortiz Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:11:31 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-25743 Carlo - good write-up. I am not convinced about .mobi - it brings more harm than good. Your piece inspired me to write another piece on .mobi (on my blog), expressing wanted I to say for a long time. Good job, thanks. ceo Carlo – good write-up. I am not convinced about .mobi – it brings more harm than good. Your piece inspired me to write another piece on .mobi (on my blog), expressing wanted I to say for a long time. Good job, thanks.

ceo

]]> By: dotMobi http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25740 dotMobi Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:21:11 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-25740 <strong>The dotMobi Mobile Emulator...</strong> Some of you may have noticed that we recently put a mobile phone emulator on mtld.mobi. The purpose of the emulator is simply to raise awareness to the fact that the vast majority of existing websites do not work well... The dotMobi Mobile Emulator…

Some of you may have noticed that we recently put a mobile phone emulator on mtld.mobi. The purpose of the emulator is simply to raise awareness to the fact that the vast majority of existing websites do not work well…

]]> By: C. Enrique Ortiz Mobility Weblog http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/comment-page-1/#comment-25659 C. Enrique Ortiz Mobility Weblog Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:24:03 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/08/24/whats-mobi-playing-at-now/#comment-25659 <strong>On .mobi...</strong> I haven't expressed much about how I feel about .mobi - months ago I wrote a piece about it, but never finish editing it... Today Carlo wrote a very good piece on .mobi, which I am going to piggyback on... .mobi is not needed - there is no technic... On .mobi…

I haven’t expressed much about how I feel about .mobi – months ago I wrote a piece about it, but never finish editing it… Today Carlo wrote a very good piece on .mobi, which I am going to piggyback on…

.mobi is not needed – there is no technic…

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