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	<title>Comments on: Ad Age Profiles the Top 50 Marketing Organisations</title>
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	<description>Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology.</description>
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		<title>By: Donald Douglas, Return2Sender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Douglas, Return2Sender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 18:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Russell

5 years on trying to sell in mobile into agencies not much has changed massively. A typical meeting say with a media agency goes like this ; we go in kick off with our creds, killer stats,quotes &amp; insights ( RATIONAL: 100% penetration/ EMOTIONAL: the kids are mobile, RU? etc etc.),  then we go into case studies (50% as NON txt2win as posssible) all the while talking about 2 way always on interactivity, accountabilty, need for integration, consumer reward, game play, permission etc etc. Then, up comes the dreaded question.&#039; How much does it cost, what&#039;s the commission and where do we get the databases?. We then shake our heads on the inside, ask to be briefed by the creative agency/client, chat to 1/2 eager graduates and leave.

Then comes the chat to the creative agency; again, lots of chat about all the penatration of TV and interactivity of the internet. Most of the sell is around media relevance. But again up comes the dreaded question of how many 3G phones etc and how to shoot TV for mobiles and again where to get the databases to carpet bomb the airwaves with WAP links ( no mention of gonzo data charges for prepaid users, of course). Then we retrence into talking about the need for 360 degree integration and how to take an idea &#039;truely&#039; mobile then fall back position into SMSTV type direct response and accountability. We then all share a private joke about how the creatives will really love this new accountability and the chance to duck tape SMS Response onto their film. We plead for sharing of client plans and plead to be briefed for pitches pre-sign off of artwork/ shoot. Then we float out all warm and fuzzy.

The client meeting is same as above but clients are wayyyy out of touch.( hence need for agencies) and hair on fire busy. In fact stressed out and hair on fire busy is something that is very true of agencies aswell ; finding time to get to grips with new tech is a real problem for us as sellers; most simply dont want to learn and for those that do selling in a big mobile idea is something you cant see happening, even simple SMS response managing 3rd parties, loss of control.

Sales promotion and &#039;experiential&#039; agencies are our best shot and here we get to do our best work. Working with this segment you at least get to pitch Nokia Game type ideas ..but here the dreaded question is HOW MUCH? and then at that point we realise that the reason Txt2Win has worked so well is because it saves the agency time and money and it works for the consumer ( no postcards, www etc.). These people get mobile but a mobile campaign seriously dents their margin and only some of their clients will go find more budget for more. In fairness for txt2win type stuff you get more for less with mobile and in the end theyr happy to pay because mobile does lots of good things here. In fact 
5 years on I think that if clients and advertising agencies could see all the good work that  we&#039;ve done with Sales promo agencies they&#039;d see that waht mobile marketing does is increase PARTICIPATION and for me having sold this hard , participation is the big button  
to push; take out mobile from a promo and see participation take a real tumble. Then you get to see LESS interactivity, media relevance, minus points from kids, etc etc.

Again I think mobile advertising is something very different, (banners, free content?) but it will certainly learn from txt2win that if the offer (free stuff, fun, VAS etc) isnt good enough it wont click.

So, for now big agencies know theyre right to talk up mobile ( marketing/ advertising) but getting mobile up an dover the line and in the can is a very different challenge altogther.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Russell</p>
<p>5 years on trying to sell in mobile into agencies not much has changed massively. A typical meeting say with a media agency goes like this ; we go in kick off with our creds, killer stats,quotes &amp; insights ( RATIONAL: 100% penetration/ EMOTIONAL: the kids are mobile, RU? etc etc.),  then we go into case studies (50% as NON txt2win as posssible) all the while talking about 2 way always on interactivity, accountabilty, need for integration, consumer reward, game play, permission etc etc. Then, up comes the dreaded question.&#8217; How much does it cost, what&#8217;s the commission and where do we get the databases?. We then shake our heads on the inside, ask to be briefed by the creative agency/client, chat to 1/2 eager graduates and leave.</p>
<p>Then comes the chat to the creative agency; again, lots of chat about all the penatration of TV and interactivity of the internet. Most of the sell is around media relevance. But again up comes the dreaded question of how many 3G phones etc and how to shoot TV for mobiles and again where to get the databases to carpet bomb the airwaves with WAP links ( no mention of gonzo data charges for prepaid users, of course). Then we retrence into talking about the need for 360 degree integration and how to take an idea &#8216;truely&#8217; mobile then fall back position into SMSTV type direct response and accountability. We then all share a private joke about how the creatives will really love this new accountability and the chance to duck tape SMS Response onto their film. We plead for sharing of client plans and plead to be briefed for pitches pre-sign off of artwork/ shoot. Then we float out all warm and fuzzy.</p>
<p>The client meeting is same as above but clients are wayyyy out of touch.( hence need for agencies) and hair on fire busy. In fact stressed out and hair on fire busy is something that is very true of agencies aswell ; finding time to get to grips with new tech is a real problem for us as sellers; most simply dont want to learn and for those that do selling in a big mobile idea is something you cant see happening, even simple SMS response managing 3rd parties, loss of control.</p>
<p>Sales promotion and &#8216;experiential&#8217; agencies are our best shot and here we get to do our best work. Working with this segment you at least get to pitch Nokia Game type ideas ..but here the dreaded question is HOW MUCH? and then at that point we realise that the reason Txt2Win has worked so well is because it saves the agency time and money and it works for the consumer ( no postcards, www etc.). These people get mobile but a mobile campaign seriously dents their margin and only some of their clients will go find more budget for more. In fairness for txt2win type stuff you get more for less with mobile and in the end theyr happy to pay because mobile does lots of good things here. In fact<br />
5 years on I think that if clients and advertising agencies could see all the good work that  we&#8217;ve done with Sales promo agencies they&#8217;d see that waht mobile marketing does is increase PARTICIPATION and for me having sold this hard , participation is the big button<br />
to push; take out mobile from a promo and see participation take a real tumble. Then you get to see LESS interactivity, media relevance, minus points from kids, etc etc.</p>
<p>Again I think mobile advertising is something very different, (banners, free content?) but it will certainly learn from txt2win that if the offer (free stuff, fun, VAS etc) isnt good enough it wont click.</p>
<p>So, for now big agencies know theyre right to talk up mobile ( marketing/ advertising) but getting mobile up an dover the line and in the can is a very different challenge altogther.</p>
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