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	<title>Comments on: Mobile Lime Scores $10 million. One Question &#8211; Why?</title>
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		<title>By: William Lowe</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/21/mobile-lime-scores-10-million-one-question-why/comment-page-1/#comment-97924</link>
		<dc:creator>William Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russel

Curious to hear what happened to your &quot;entrepreneur who is just in a funding round at the moment who has a much better system - it really is as easy as using cash or a credit card and thus has the Buckley seal of approval&quot;

Your 2007 predicitions are pretty hard on mobile payments penetration in the west, so I&#039;m guessing the Buckley seal of approval wasn&#039;t enough to get this entrepreneur off the ground?

I like your blog and I like what you guys are doing at admob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russel</p>
<p>Curious to hear what happened to your &#8220;entrepreneur who is just in a funding round at the moment who has a much better system &#8211; it really is as easy as using cash or a credit card and thus has the Buckley seal of approval&#8221;</p>
<p>Your 2007 predicitions are pretty hard on mobile payments penetration in the west, so I&#8217;m guessing the Buckley seal of approval wasn&#8217;t enough to get this entrepreneur off the ground?</p>
<p>I like your blog and I like what you guys are doing at admob.</p>
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		<title>By: PayPal Mobile Launches, Mobile Payments Apocalypse Upon Us, etc etc at MobHappy</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/21/mobile-lime-scores-10-million-one-question-why/comment-page-1/#comment-2446</link>
		<dc:creator>PayPal Mobile Launches, Mobile Payments Apocalypse Upon Us, etc etc at MobHappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So does PayPal do better according to the rapidly-getting-famous Buckley&#8217;s First Law of Mobile Payments, which says &#8220;If the transaction process is any more complicated than using a credit card or cash, it will never succeed&#8221; than other companies like Mobile Lime or TextPayMe? Not necessarily &#8212; particularly for users that don&#8217;t have credit cards and have to keep refilling their PayPal accounts and tracking the balance, which at this point it sounds like you can still only do from a PC. The Text to Buy stuff is getting there, though. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So does PayPal do better according to the rapidly-getting-famous Buckley&#8217;s First Law of Mobile Payments, which says &#8220;If the transaction process is any more complicated than using a credit card or cash, it will never succeed&#8221; than other companies like Mobile Lime or TextPayMe? Not necessarily &#8212; particularly for users that don&#8217;t have credit cards and have to keep refilling their PayPal accounts and tracking the balance, which at this point it sounds like you can still only do from a PC. The Text to Buy stuff is getting there, though. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ajit Jaokar</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/21/mobile-lime-scores-10-million-one-question-why/comment-page-1/#comment-2434</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajit Jaokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahh .. but the point is .. your original assessment completely missed the NFC announcement - hence can&#039;t be valid. 

I believe this is a technology play - the investment is used to develop the technology. It may not be a market play at all .. 

As a technology - I dont know who the competitors are - but see my post for global developments in the NFC space .. 

Not sure if there is a US NFC player .. If not, this is a winner - purely from a tech standpoint. 

Assessing this company from the market development standpoint is only half the picture. 

I have been following NFC for sometime now - NFC = mcommerce - very soon - if it executes right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahh .. but the point is .. your original assessment completely missed the NFC announcement &#8211; hence can&#8217;t be valid. </p>
<p>I believe this is a technology play &#8211; the investment is used to develop the technology. It may not be a market play at all .. </p>
<p>As a technology &#8211; I dont know who the competitors are &#8211; but see my post for global developments in the NFC space .. </p>
<p>Not sure if there is a US NFC player .. If not, this is a winner &#8211; purely from a tech standpoint. </p>
<p>Assessing this company from the market development standpoint is only half the picture. </p>
<p>I have been following NFC for sometime now &#8211; NFC = mcommerce &#8211; very soon &#8211; if it executes right</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Buckley</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/21/mobile-lime-scores-10-million-one-question-why/comment-page-1/#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ajit - thanks for the comment.

Yeah I did see the NFC thing and I agree with your overall market assessment. However, if the Mobile Lime team could launch such a shockingly bad service first time round, I don&#039;t frankly have much expectation of them doing better next time.

In addition, $10 million is nowhere near enough to launch a credible NFC offering, in my view, as you need to install a hell of a lot of hardware to make it viable. The small merchants they have on board aren&#039;t going to make that kind of investment, which means that they&#039;ll end up paying for the hardware installation and run through $10 million quicker than a quick thing on Planet Quick.

&quot;Change or die&quot; is still appropriate however you want to cut it.

Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ajit &#8211; thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>Yeah I did see the NFC thing and I agree with your overall market assessment. However, if the Mobile Lime team could launch such a shockingly bad service first time round, I don&#8217;t frankly have much expectation of them doing better next time.</p>
<p>In addition, $10 million is nowhere near enough to launch a credible NFC offering, in my view, as you need to install a hell of a lot of hardware to make it viable. The small merchants they have on board aren&#8217;t going to make that kind of investment, which means that they&#8217;ll end up paying for the hardware installation and run through $10 million quicker than a quick thing on Planet Quick.</p>
<p>&#8220;Change or die&#8221; is still appropriate however you want to cut it.</p>
<p>Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Ajit Jaokar</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/21/mobile-lime-scores-10-million-one-question-why/comment-page-1/#comment-2432</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajit Jaokar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Russell
I think you are missing the point .. I think mobile lime has got funding not for the current system but for their NFC announcement (https://www.mobilelime.com/mobilelime/home.do?action=NFCrelease)

I blogged about the significance of NFC before
http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2005/12/nfc_-_the_answe.html

In my view, mobile payments will become NFC based(as is already happening in Japan etc)
  Kind rgds
   Ajit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Russell<br />
I think you are missing the point .. I think mobile lime has got funding not for the current system but for their NFC announcement (<a href="https://www.mobilelime.com/mobilelime/home.do?action=NFCrelease" rel="nofollow">https://www.mobilelime.com/mobilelime/home.do?action=NFCrelease</a>)</p>
<p>I blogged about the significance of NFC before<br />
<a href="http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2005/12/nfc_-_the_answe.html" rel="nofollow">http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2005/12/nfc_-_the_answe.html</a></p>
<p>In my view, mobile payments will become NFC based(as is already happening in Japan etc)<br />
  Kind rgds<br />
   Ajit</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Wood</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/21/mobile-lime-scores-10-million-one-question-why/comment-page-1/#comment-2411</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the M-Commerce projects that I have worked on what becomes obvious is that payments solutions work when you are using it as a cash replacement.  However the problem is that vendors have a wide range of payment methods already and why would they wish to add the complexity of Mobile Lime?  The projects in South Africa and the Phillipinies have been a success as thay also have a method that allows users to turn credits into cash.  Looking at Mobile Lime I have to say that this will be the factor that stalls take up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the M-Commerce projects that I have worked on what becomes obvious is that payments solutions work when you are using it as a cash replacement.  However the problem is that vendors have a wide range of payment methods already and why would they wish to add the complexity of Mobile Lime?  The projects in South Africa and the Phillipinies have been a success as thay also have a method that allows users to turn credits into cash.  Looking at Mobile Lime I have to say that this will be the factor that stalls take up.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Oberhofer</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/21/mobile-lime-scores-10-million-one-question-why/comment-page-1/#comment-2410</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Oberhofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi...

When I looked at Mobile Lime myself at the beginning I thought the same: strange usability. 
However looking deeper it occurred to me that this is not a company whose main focus is mobile payments, but targeted advertising. 
See here: https://www.mobilelime.com/mobilelime/home.do?action=marketing  

As such I believe that the &#039;mobile payment&#039; part is just a means to get access to mobile phone numbers and purchasing behaviors. 

With the business being mobile advertising, obviously the story changes (as well to the VC&#039;s). 

However I still think that this might not be the right approach as:
a) this business is a bit deceiving to the end user
b) still has a usability problem
c) assumes that you can send messages to consumers who&#039;s number you collected without permission. 

And I think that c) is a serious issue: All advertising pushed to a phone HAS to be in the context of a permission. Otherwise there will be a consumer backlash, if unwanted messages arrive just because you once used Mobile Lime (or any other service for that matter). 

Thanks, Robert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&#8230;</p>
<p>When I looked at Mobile Lime myself at the beginning I thought the same: strange usability.<br />
However looking deeper it occurred to me that this is not a company whose main focus is mobile payments, but targeted advertising.<br />
See here: <a href="https://www.mobilelime.com/mobilelime/home.do?action=marketing" rel="nofollow">https://www.mobilelime.com/mobilelime/home.do?action=marketing</a>  </p>
<p>As such I believe that the &#8216;mobile payment&#8217; part is just a means to get access to mobile phone numbers and purchasing behaviors. </p>
<p>With the business being mobile advertising, obviously the story changes (as well to the VC&#8217;s). </p>
<p>However I still think that this might not be the right approach as:<br />
a) this business is a bit deceiving to the end user<br />
b) still has a usability problem<br />
c) assumes that you can send messages to consumers who&#8217;s number you collected without permission. </p>
<p>And I think that c) is a serious issue: All advertising pushed to a phone HAS to be in the context of a permission. Otherwise there will be a consumer backlash, if unwanted messages arrive just because you once used Mobile Lime (or any other service for that matter). </p>
<p>Thanks, Robert.</p>
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		<title>By: Anders Borg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anders Borg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding to the problem is that even credit card is too complicated for small purchases like ringtones, and also most kids and teens (the audience for ringtones) generally don&#039;t have credit cards. The only thing that works is phone bill payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to the problem is that even credit card is too complicated for small purchases like ringtones, and also most kids and teens (the audience for ringtones) generally don&#8217;t have credit cards. The only thing that works is phone bill payment.</p>
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