Comments on: Is Google the New Kryptonite? http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/ Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:27:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Mowser at Wap Review http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-101831 Mowser at Wap Review Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:30:06 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-101831 [...] Mobile transcoders have not been too popular with webmasters and content providers but Mowser is attempting to change that by giving site owners unprecedented control over how their transcoded site looks in Mouser. By adding a few meta tags headers (see the Mowser blog for details)  to your site you can: [...] [...] Mobile transcoders have not been too popular with webmasters and content providers but Mowser is attempting to change that by giving site owners unprecedented control over how their transcoded site looks in Mouser. By adding a few meta tags headers (see the Mowser blog for details)  to your site you can: [...]

]]> By: Allan Rasmussen http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2268 Allan Rasmussen Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:26:07 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2268 I agree, recent weeks have seen Google taken a few beatings regarding content from content owners like Top 10 girls something, cencorship in China and so on. Take a look at the Google News now who gave google the rights to take content from CNN, BBC, CNBC and so on…and make it availible on Google News. The online content from those websites are there for a reason, to get people online…not on Google news but on the website in question. There is also the case on bookss where google want to make content from books availible on Google. Al the hype about Google is a joke…by the end of the day….what is comes down to is that Google shows other sites content…that is it. Google mail…your content…Google video is other peoples content stolen by Google users and send to Google video, Google pictures…other sites content…and so on. If want to see more info when searching don’t use the Google for your mobile, use Opera Mini instead. I agree, recent weeks have seen Google taken a few beatings regarding content from content owners like Top 10 girls something, cencorship in China and so on.
Take a look at the Google News now who gave google the rights to take content from CNN, BBC, CNBC and so on…and make it availible on Google News. The online content from those websites are there for a reason, to get people online…not on Google news but on the website in question. There is also the case on bookss where google want to make content from books availible on Google. Al the hype about Google is a joke…by the end of the day….what is comes down to is that Google shows other sites content…that is it. Google mail…your content…Google video is other peoples content stolen by Google users and send to Google video, Google pictures…other sites content…and so on. If want to see more info when searching don’t use the Google for your mobile, use Opera Mini instead.

]]> By: David Harper http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2256 David Harper Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:40:34 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2256 CEO - Re: "...change content layout and drop content from a website" I'd like to include to that list what was "harmful" to us - the default blocking of our mobile specific site & community and replacing it with the transcoded version of our desktop site. CEO - Re: “…change content layout and drop content from a website”

I’d like to include to that list what was “harmful” to us - the default blocking of our mobile specific site & community and replacing it with the transcoded version of our desktop site.

]]> By: C. Enrique Ortiz' Mobility W e b l o g http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2233 C. Enrique Ortiz' Mobility W e b l o g Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:09:35 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2233 <strong>Why Google Should Rethink Their Content Transformation...</strong> On his website, MobHappy, Russell Buckely wrote about Google changing the way content is displayed on people’s phones, without permission. Below is a modified, expanded version of the comment that I left at MobHappy, in response to Russell's blog ent... Why Google Should Rethink Their Content Transformation…

On his website, MobHappy, Russell Buckely wrote about Google changing the way content is displayed on people’s phones, without permission. Below is a modified, expanded version of the comment that I left at MobHappy, in response to Russell’s blog ent…

]]> By: C. Enrique Ortiz http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2232 C. Enrique Ortiz Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:55:30 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2232 I think Google didn't mean evil here -- they just tried to bring existing content to mobility... But guess what, they have encountered the *BASIC* issue with *content transformation.* This is not a new problem, and many of us have dealt with/researched this issue for a long time. With Google's transformation not only the layout is changed, but advertising may get dropped (interesting they don't have a transformation for their own ads from desktop to mobile). I agree that the decision to change content layout and drop content from a website is (should be) the content's *owner* decision ONLY... For people that read content, such transformation may be just fine, but obviously for content owners & producers, such transformation is not.... not to mention advertising is at the center of many business models. All this mess could just be the result of a decision made based on pure "technical" merits (i.e. bandwidth, screen real-estate, etc) -- good intentions, but nevertheless a bad decision. Google owns ReqWireless - those folks know very well about bringing websites to mobile and about transformation - Google should leverage that! ceo I think Google didn’t mean evil here — they just tried to bring existing content to mobility…

But guess what, they have encountered the *BASIC* issue with *content transformation.* This is not a new problem, and many of us have dealt with/researched this issue for a long time.

With Google’s transformation not only the layout is changed, but advertising may get dropped (interesting they don’t have a transformation for their own ads from desktop to mobile).

I agree that the decision to change content layout and drop content from a website is (should be) the content’s *owner* decision ONLY…

For people that read content, such transformation may be just fine, but obviously for content owners & producers, such transformation is not…. not to mention advertising is at the center of many business models.

All this mess could just be the result of a decision made based on pure “technical” merits (i.e. bandwidth, screen real-estate, etc) — good intentions, but nevertheless a bad decision.

Google owns ReqWireless - those folks know very well about bringing websites to mobile and about transformation - Google should leverage that!

ceo

]]> By: David Harper http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2214 David Harper Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:11:41 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2214 Andreas - Re: your comment to Russell - "I think reformatting for mobile devices is fine and nowhere near as serious as described by you." Fine you say? Nowhere near as serious as described? Let me explain how NOT "fine" it is. Paraphrased from my blog (http://harper.wirelessink.com/?p=81): From my perspective, the issue is not that Google unilaterally strips away eye candy only to deliver a hodgepodge of text on mobile devices. It is that they remove user access to mobile-specific services on which ours and many other businesses are based. By default, their actions censor those of us who provide a unique and/or useful mobile experience. Individuals, small development teams, and companies that respect and value the mobile audience provide mobile sites and services designed for that audience. With a bit of browser detection, many of us send these visitors to either mobile optimized versions of our sites or even mobile phone-specific services. Google mobile web search intercepts and overrides that detection, context, and delivery. Google’s actions cripple every truly mobile web site that its search uncovers, violating the copyright of each and reducing all of them to a lowest common denominator that sets the mobile web back ten years. “Do No Evil” requires that they stop now. Andreas - Re: your comment to Russell - “I think reformatting for mobile devices is fine and nowhere near as serious as described by you.”

Fine you say? Nowhere near as serious as described? Let me explain how NOT “fine” it is.

Paraphrased from my blog (http://harper.wirelessink.com/?p=81):

From my perspective, the issue is not that Google unilaterally strips away eye candy only to deliver a hodgepodge of text on mobile devices. It is that they remove user access to mobile-specific services on which ours and many other businesses are based. By default, their actions censor those of us who provide a unique and/or useful mobile experience.

Individuals, small development teams, and companies that respect and value the mobile audience provide mobile sites and services designed for that audience. With a bit of browser detection, many of us send these visitors to either mobile optimized versions of our sites or even mobile phone-specific services. Google mobile web search intercepts and overrides that detection, context, and delivery.

Google’s actions cripple every truly mobile web site that its search uncovers, violating the copyright of each and reducing all of them to a lowest common denominator that sets the mobile web back ten years. “Do No Evil” requires that they stop now.

]]> By: Andreas http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2210 Andreas Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:54:36 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2210 Lemi4 aka. fERDI:), maybe you should learn that people can respectfully disagree without being trolls. Grow up. Lemi4 aka. fERDI:), maybe you should learn that people can respectfully disagree without being trolls. Grow up.

]]> By: Lemi4 aka. fERDI:) http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2209 Lemi4 aka. fERDI:) Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:28:17 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2209 Why do I smell 'troll'? [whoops; do not feed the troll. Do not feed the troll. Do not feed the troll. Too late.] Why do I smell ‘troll’?

[whoops; do not feed the troll. Do not feed the troll. Do not feed the troll. Too late.]

]]> By: Andreas http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2208 Andreas Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:05:32 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2208 "Do you think it’s a good idea to behave like Kryptonite and as Google appears to be? Or a bad idea? Or frankly, that it doesn’t matter as bloggers and their readers are a tiny, insignificant, if vociferous market?" 1. I think reformatting for mobile devices is fine and nowhere near as serious as described by you. But I also appreciate that opinions differ. 2. google is a huge company and it is my opinion that this particular story, while of immediate importance to you, is simply at the bottom of a heap of other, equally or more important stories they're dealing with. 3. Yes, I do believe that part of the blogosphere (and I am not pointing fingers at anybody) has at times taken itself way, way, way too seriously. The signal to noise ratio in blogs is low already and, with the addition of whatever the number of the day is for blogs added per second, falling. The successful blogs already resemble the magazine websites of yesterday, following the same business model, facing the same restrictions. Don't get me wrong, I am all for blogs. I am all for conversations, for equality in marketing and in our relationships with people who are after our disposable income. But when I read statements like: "There may be other conclusions that you can draw from their refusal to engage with us, to join the conversation and to debate this important issue. But my take has to be that their attitude is just an extension of re-purposing the mobile content in the first place. It’s simply arrogant. Worse, it’s old school Microsoftian." my gut reaction is to say "get over it already." Nobody is refusing a conversation, chances are you're just not important enough. “Do you think it’s a good idea to behave like Kryptonite and as Google appears to be? Or a bad idea? Or frankly, that it doesn’t matter as bloggers and their readers are a tiny, insignificant, if vociferous market?”

1. I think reformatting for mobile devices is fine and nowhere near as serious as described by you. But I also appreciate that opinions differ.

2. google is a huge company and it is my opinion that this particular story, while of immediate importance to you, is simply at the bottom of a heap of other, equally or more important stories they’re dealing with.

3. Yes, I do believe that part of the blogosphere (and I am not pointing fingers at anybody) has at times taken itself way, way, way too seriously. The signal to noise ratio in blogs is low already and, with the addition of whatever the number of the day is for blogs added per second, falling.
The successful blogs already resemble the magazine websites of yesterday, following the same business model, facing the same restrictions.

Don’t get me wrong, I am all for blogs. I am all for conversations, for equality in marketing and in our relationships with people who are after our disposable income.
But when I read statements like:

“There may be other conclusions that you can draw from their refusal to engage with us, to join the conversation and to debate this important issue. But my take has to be that their attitude is just an extension of re-purposing the mobile content in the first place. It’s simply arrogant. Worse, it’s old school Microsoftian.”

my gut reaction is to say “get over it already.” Nobody is refusing a conversation, chances are you’re just not important enough.

]]> By: Russell Buckley http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2202 Russell Buckley Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:46:40 +0000 http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/03/15/is-google-the-new-kryptonite/#comment-2202 Andreas - thanks for the comment, but not sure what point you're trying to make here. Do you think it's a good idea to behave like Kryptonite and as Google appears to be? Or a bad idea? Or frankly, that it doesn't matter as bloggers and their readers are a tiny, insignificant, if vociferous market? What would you recommend Google to do? Russell Andreas - thanks for the comment, but not sure what point you’re trying to make here.

Do you think it’s a good idea to behave like Kryptonite and as Google appears to be? Or a bad idea? Or frankly, that it doesn’t matter as bloggers and their readers are a tiny, insignificant, if vociferous market?

What would you recommend Google to do?

Russell

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