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		<title>By: Free Phone Calls for Advertising at MobHappy</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/02/02/location-based-marketing-could-it-really-work-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-2603</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Phone Calls for Advertising at MobHappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you&#8217;re a contemporary marketing thinker, you should be over that way of viewing the world. You should know that the key is to engage with your customers and produce marketing that they want to see. That they want to seek out and tell their friends about, that uses the IDEA principles that I wrote about before. Advertising must offer the recipient: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;re a contemporary marketing thinker, you should be over that way of viewing the world. You should know that the key is to engage with your customers and produce marketing that they want to see. That they want to seek out and tell their friends about, that uses the IDEA principles that I wrote about before. Advertising must offer the recipient: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Buckley</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2006/02/02/location-based-marketing-could-it-really-work-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-1899</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan - this is an interesting question. As an illustration, sending you a message specific to Virginia (perhaps a State-wide poll, for instance), or even the US, would still relate to a location and, I guess, could still be argued to fall within the remit of LBM.

However, in the context of mall-type marketing, I think some input would be required by users as to when they wanted to receive messages. For instance, if you worked at the mall, constant messaging could be irksome, so you&#039;d be able to specify when you didn&#039;t want them.

If you lived so close as to be included in the geography of the mall, I&#039;d hope that likewise, you could opt out at certain times.

Marketers have to realise that access to your phone is a privilege, not a right and you can very easily switch off that access.

Again, for mall type marketing, I&#039;d suggest that the area should be defined as &quot;within the mall&quot;. Outside that, the messages no longer become &quot;while you&#039;re here....&quot; but &quot;why don&#039;t you come down to the mall?&quot; Different messages would be needed for each.

Marketers would also need to recognise that the further away the recipient of the message was, the more compelling the message would have to be. In other words, asking someone to traipse from one end of the mall to the other would need to feel much more motivated that someone who just needs to go 10 metres to take advantage of it.

I hope this answers your question.

Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan &#8211; this is an interesting question. As an illustration, sending you a message specific to Virginia (perhaps a State-wide poll, for instance), or even the US, would still relate to a location and, I guess, could still be argued to fall within the remit of LBM.</p>
<p>However, in the context of mall-type marketing, I think some input would be required by users as to when they wanted to receive messages. For instance, if you worked at the mall, constant messaging could be irksome, so you&#8217;d be able to specify when you didn&#8217;t want them.</p>
<p>If you lived so close as to be included in the geography of the mall, I&#8217;d hope that likewise, you could opt out at certain times.</p>
<p>Marketers have to realise that access to your phone is a privilege, not a right and you can very easily switch off that access.</p>
<p>Again, for mall type marketing, I&#8217;d suggest that the area should be defined as &#8220;within the mall&#8221;. Outside that, the messages no longer become &#8220;while you&#8217;re here&#8230;.&#8221; but &#8220;why don&#8217;t you come down to the mall?&#8221; Different messages would be needed for each.</p>
<p>Marketers would also need to recognise that the further away the recipient of the message was, the more compelling the message would have to be. In other words, asking someone to traipse from one end of the mall to the other would need to feel much more motivated that someone who just needs to go 10 metres to take advantage of it.</p>
<p>I hope this answers your question.</p>
<p>Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Trenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding LCM, how wide of an area would be considered &#039;marketing territory&#039;.  I live in the US, in Northern Virginia, right outside of Washington DC.  Lot&#039;s of people.  Two large malls near by with many, many stores.  

If I were to subsribe to service, would I be constantly &#039;beeped&#039; letting me know that all these &#039;secret sales&#039; are going on?  

In other words, with LCM, how wide of an area do you see it covering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding LCM, how wide of an area would be considered &#8216;marketing territory&#8217;.  I live in the US, in Northern Virginia, right outside of Washington DC.  Lot&#8217;s of people.  Two large malls near by with many, many stores.  </p>
<p>If I were to subsribe to service, would I be constantly &#8216;beeped&#8217; letting me know that all these &#8217;secret sales&#8217; are going on?  </p>
<p>In other words, with LCM, how wide of an area do you see it covering?</p>
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		<title>By: mopocket</title>
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		<dc:creator>mopocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Use Your Phone As A Web Server....&lt;/strong&gt;

 The new hype in mobile phones is no longer web surfing but web hosting! According to Nokia. &#039;We are now able to provide a Web server on a mobile phone with a global URL than can be accessed from......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Use Your Phone As A Web Server&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p> The new hype in mobile phones is no longer web surfing but web hosting! According to Nokia. &#8216;We are now able to provide a Web server on a mobile phone with a global URL than can be accessed from&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: S Woodside</title>
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		<dc:creator>S Woodside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent series! I love IDEA -- thanks for the summary of all the ways you can do marketing without doing interruption.

--simon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent series! I love IDEA &#8212; thanks for the summary of all the ways you can do marketing without doing interruption.</p>
<p>&#8211;simon</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Buckley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - thanks for the comment.

But actually I wasn&#039;t writing about Mobile Marketing generally, I was writing about Location Based Marketing specifically. Therefore, the whole context of the post takes into account location. 

Furthermore, I mention location as part of the elements within the IDEA framework. eg &quot;Tell them something they donÇƒÙt know. And possibly, thatÇƒÙs relevant to where they are. This could be news of a Çƒ?Secret SaleÇƒ? happening in the vicinity, but could be as wide as sports scores, music chart and gossip or breaking news.&quot; and &quot;The premise here is that the user will get access to deals they wouldnÇƒÙt have otherwise, if they sign up and use the channel. This can be location specific (ie discounts and promotions from local shops) or non-location specific&quot;.

LBM embraces two scenarios:

1. Locally transmitted messages, which may or may not have location relevance. The reason for these is cost - transmitting over Bluetooth or wifi in due course, as an example, is cheaper than over an operator network.

2. Centrally transmitted messages, which MUST have a location relevance, otherwise they&#039;re not LBM (they&#039;re just mobile marketing).

Of the two, I believe that local transmission makes the most sense and location plays second fiddle to the other IDEA elements. It doesn&#039;t HAVE to be incorporated into a campaign, while the other elements do.

By way of example, if we send a message out saying &quot;Turn left into Starbucks now&quot; it takes account location, but won&#039;t work as it doesn&#039;t Inform (OK, you could argue that you might not have noticed it, but it&#039;s pushing it), there&#039;s no Deal, no Engagement or Advertainment.

So location can certainly be relevant, but in my view, isn&#039;t central to LBM success. Odd, but there you have it.

Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>But actually I wasn&#8217;t writing about Mobile Marketing generally, I was writing about Location Based Marketing specifically. Therefore, the whole context of the post takes into account location. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I mention location as part of the elements within the IDEA framework. eg &#8220;Tell them something they donÇƒÙt know. And possibly, thatÇƒÙs relevant to where they are. This could be news of a Çƒ?Secret SaleÇƒ? happening in the vicinity, but could be as wide as sports scores, music chart and gossip or breaking news.&#8221; and &#8220;The premise here is that the user will get access to deals they wouldnÇƒÙt have otherwise, if they sign up and use the channel. This can be location specific (ie discounts and promotions from local shops) or non-location specific&#8221;.</p>
<p>LBM embraces two scenarios:</p>
<p>1. Locally transmitted messages, which may or may not have location relevance. The reason for these is cost &#8211; transmitting over Bluetooth or wifi in due course, as an example, is cheaper than over an operator network.</p>
<p>2. Centrally transmitted messages, which MUST have a location relevance, otherwise they&#8217;re not LBM (they&#8217;re just mobile marketing).</p>
<p>Of the two, I believe that local transmission makes the most sense and location plays second fiddle to the other IDEA elements. It doesn&#8217;t HAVE to be incorporated into a campaign, while the other elements do.</p>
<p>By way of example, if we send a message out saying &#8220;Turn left into Starbucks now&#8221; it takes account location, but won&#8217;t work as it doesn&#8217;t Inform (OK, you could argue that you might not have noticed it, but it&#8217;s pushing it), there&#8217;s no Deal, no Engagement or Advertainment.</p>
<p>So location can certainly be relevant, but in my view, isn&#8217;t central to LBM success. Odd, but there you have it.</p>
<p>Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi&#8217;s Thoughts on LBM at MobHappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomi&#8217;s Thoughts on LBM at MobHappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tomi is pretty dismissive about the traditional mall or High Street based channel, telling you about local deals. Up to a point, I agree with him, in that it&#8217;s only one aspect of what LBM is about and as I outlined in my post yesterday. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tomi is pretty dismissive about the traditional mall or High Street based channel, telling you about local deals. Up to a point, I agree with him, in that it&#8217;s only one aspect of what LBM is about and as I outlined in my post yesterday. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Parsons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell, nowhere in Part 3 above do I hear anything about &quot;Location&quot;. If you&#039;re talking about Mobile Marketing you MUST take LOCATION into consideration. I don&#039;t want a relationship with Coke (lord knows I&#039;m trying to shield myself from a constant barrage of consumer messaging) but if I walk within 10 to 100 meters of a store or retail outlet and a coupon pops up on my mobile device for 50% off a 12 pack of Caffine Free Diet Coke just watch how fast I run into to grab one or wheel into the parking lot of the mall or plaza to pick up on a great deal I kust learned about relative to my location. Location Based Marketing is/can be temporal and MUST be local to the the &quot;consumer&quot; or intended audience. Isn&#039;t that what &quot;mobility&quot; is all about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell, nowhere in Part 3 above do I hear anything about &#8220;Location&#8221;. If you&#8217;re talking about Mobile Marketing you MUST take LOCATION into consideration. I don&#8217;t want a relationship with Coke (lord knows I&#8217;m trying to shield myself from a constant barrage of consumer messaging) but if I walk within 10 to 100 meters of a store or retail outlet and a coupon pops up on my mobile device for 50% off a 12 pack of Caffine Free Diet Coke just watch how fast I run into to grab one or wheel into the parking lot of the mall or plaza to pick up on a great deal I kust learned about relative to my location. Location Based Marketing is/can be temporal and MUST be local to the the &#8220;consumer&#8221; or intended audience. Isn&#8217;t that what &#8220;mobility&#8221; is all about?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why on earth would I, as a user, agree for Coke to appear this way?  Much could also be said about the countless end user agreements or TERMs we all agree to in games, subscription services, and heck web 2.0 like betas.  No one likes the fine print.  In fact, we shy away from it, we agree to hassle up front for time sake and then complain about it later.  

I do think phone advertisers will get to us.  Yes they could pay for your phone or part of the Çƒ?dataÇƒ? service.  ItÇƒÙd be in the guise of discounts on your phone service via paid endorsement enabled.  ItÇƒÙd be wrapped up with sexy Hollywood actors in tasty packaging, theyÇƒÙd show you how it worked for them, where it worked and how IT is the new pink--- and youÇƒÙd buy it.  

Personally, I see it more than messages on my device, I see me affecting the environment.  Rather than the messages come to you on your phone what if your phone affected the displays around you?  No one wants ads on their phone, at least not ads that are hard sells, ads with potential discounts or offers could be acceptable in the form of an SMS or vCast image flash or something.  I think having consumers affect the environment around them via their devices is more interesting.  Things like the idea of air posting where a set space marked with GPS data is coded to trigger displays to turn on content when a Çƒ?deviceÇƒ? passes thru though them.  

Ideas like this are banking on the fact that you signed up for a service or game to do just that.  I could see it happening though ÇƒÏ Nike   Nokia   Coke all team up to give me this wild urban experience where bits of my profle data loaded on a Bluetooth enabled phone enable me to play a game with Nike coolness sponsorship, and Coke machines that can sense my presence and give me clues as to where to go via their lcd screens.   ItÇƒÙs all coming and its going to be fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why on earth would I, as a user, agree for Coke to appear this way?  Much could also be said about the countless end user agreements or TERMs we all agree to in games, subscription services, and heck web 2.0 like betas.  No one likes the fine print.  In fact, we shy away from it, we agree to hassle up front for time sake and then complain about it later.  </p>
<p>I do think phone advertisers will get to us.  Yes they could pay for your phone or part of the Çƒ?dataÇƒ? service.  ItÇƒÙd be in the guise of discounts on your phone service via paid endorsement enabled.  ItÇƒÙd be wrapped up with sexy Hollywood actors in tasty packaging, theyÇƒÙd show you how it worked for them, where it worked and how IT is the new pink&#8212; and youÇƒÙd buy it.  </p>
<p>Personally, I see it more than messages on my device, I see me affecting the environment.  Rather than the messages come to you on your phone what if your phone affected the displays around you?  No one wants ads on their phone, at least not ads that are hard sells, ads with potential discounts or offers could be acceptable in the form of an SMS or vCast image flash or something.  I think having consumers affect the environment around them via their devices is more interesting.  Things like the idea of air posting where a set space marked with GPS data is coded to trigger displays to turn on content when a Çƒ?deviceÇƒ? passes thru though them.  </p>
<p>Ideas like this are banking on the fact that you signed up for a service or game to do just that.  I could see it happening though ÇƒÏ Nike   Nokia   Coke all team up to give me this wild urban experience where bits of my profle data loaded on a Bluetooth enabled phone enable me to play a game with Nike coolness sponsorship, and Coke machines that can sense my presence and give me clues as to where to go via their lcd screens.   ItÇƒÙs all coming and its going to be fun.</p>
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