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	<title>Comments on: Mobile Payments &#8211; the Next Billion Dollar Market</title>
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	<description>Russell Buckley and Carlo Longino on mobile technology.</description>
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		<title>By: Rolf Krause</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2005/06/15/mobile-payments-the-next-billion-dollar-market/comment-page-1/#comment-643</link>
		<dc:creator>Rolf Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

you are certainly right, the RFID technologies is necessary inside the shops. You need a offline possibility to pay with a mobile phone. Nervertheless I thing the mobile payment market will start by java application in java phones. If the integration and the configuration of mobile phones will be easier the payment method will start asap

Rolf
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<p>you are certainly right, the RFID technologies is necessary inside the shops. You need a offline possibility to pay with a mobile phone. Nervertheless I thing the mobile payment market will start by java application in java phones. If the integration and the configuration of mobile phones will be easier the payment method will start asap</p>
<p>Rolf</p>
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		<title>By: Rolf Krause</title>
		<link>http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2005/06/15/mobile-payments-the-next-billion-dollar-market/comment-page-1/#comment-642</link>
		<dc:creator>Rolf Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

you are certainly right, the RFID technologies is necessary inside the shops. You need a offline possibility to pay with a mobile phone. Nervertheless I thing the mobile payment market will start by java application in java phones. If the integration and the configuration of mobile phones will be easier the payment method will start asap

Rolf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>you are certainly right, the RFID technologies is necessary inside the shops. You need a offline possibility to pay with a mobile phone. Nervertheless I thing the mobile payment market will start by java application in java phones. If the integration and the configuration of mobile phones will be easier the payment method will start asap</p>
<p>Rolf</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Buckley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DE

That&#039;s an interesting attitude to strike by the Banks. Some (including me) would suggest that it&#039;s also crazy.

Users aren&#039;t going to think that they use their mobile for transactions of $10 or less and then use their credit cards for the rest. If they start using their mobile, they&#039;ll probably start to use it for all transactions.

So, to allow the mobile channel to develop without being involved is like a country giving its neighbours the nuclear bomb. Then complaining when they aim it at you.

Speaking of crazy...G Cash is a great idea, so why don&#039;t other operators adopt it. Kids are always running out of credit and being able to beg, borrow or steal it from friends and parents would surely just increase traffic.

Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DE</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting attitude to strike by the Banks. Some (including me) would suggest that it&#8217;s also crazy.</p>
<p>Users aren&#8217;t going to think that they use their mobile for transactions of $10 or less and then use their credit cards for the rest. If they start using their mobile, they&#8217;ll probably start to use it for all transactions.</p>
<p>So, to allow the mobile channel to develop without being involved is like a country giving its neighbours the nuclear bomb. Then complaining when they aim it at you.</p>
<p>Speaking of crazy&#8230;G Cash is a great idea, so why don&#8217;t other operators adopt it. Kids are always running out of credit and being able to beg, borrow or steal it from friends and parents would surely just increase traffic.</p>
<p>Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Digital Evangelist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digital Evangelist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russel I gave a keynote for HP last month on mobile payment.  The banks are interested in now mobile can transform the micropayments space.  At present the banks do not wish to manage payments of less than &#8364;10 because the basic fee is &#8364;2.50.  With the mobile world covering this market and charging a fixed &#8364;0.1 fee for the SMS everyone wins.

In doing the research and talking to SIMPAY as well as the Mobile Networks it was interesting to see that they all talk about Mobile payments as something that increases traffic rather than makes money in its own right.  My research also said that the stand out service is G Cash in the Phillipines which has excellent usage both locally and internationally with users able to transfer credits and pay taxes using the service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russel I gave a keynote for HP last month on mobile payment.  The banks are interested in now mobile can transform the micropayments space.  At present the banks do not wish to manage payments of less than &#8364;10 because the basic fee is &#8364;2.50.  With the mobile world covering this market and charging a fixed &#8364;0.1 fee for the SMS everyone wins.</p>
<p>In doing the research and talking to SIMPAY as well as the Mobile Networks it was interesting to see that they all talk about Mobile payments as something that increases traffic rather than makes money in its own right.  My research also said that the stand out service is G Cash in the Phillipines which has excellent usage both locally and internationally with users able to transfer credits and pay taxes using the service.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Padnos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Padnos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paypal came out of nowhere to be the dominant player in online micropayments. It&#039;ll be interesting to see which company emerges in the mobile payment space -- it&#039;s definitely a BIG opportunity as you point out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paypal came out of nowhere to be the dominant player in online micropayments. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see which company emerges in the mobile payment space &#8212; it&#8217;s definitely a BIG opportunity as you point out.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Buckley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments guys. I recommend you read Frank&#039;s post on his blog, if you haven&#039;t already.

In particular, he points out that the solution will probably be something to do with RFID. I think he&#039;s right and actually intended to write about that too, but forgot!

Oliver - did your man turn down The Beatles in a previous life?

My biggest missed opportunity was in 1994 when I was just getting into the net. I was also fascinated in car boot sales in the uk - 20,000 of them were happening every week. I was convinced there must be a way to use the net as an alternative.

So close to inventing eBay and yet, so far :-)

Russell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments guys. I recommend you read Frank&#8217;s post on his blog, if you haven&#8217;t already.</p>
<p>In particular, he points out that the solution will probably be something to do with RFID. I think he&#8217;s right and actually intended to write about that too, but forgot!</p>
<p>Oliver &#8211; did your man turn down The Beatles in a previous life?</p>
<p>My biggest missed opportunity was in 1994 when I was just getting into the net. I was also fascinated in car boot sales in the uk &#8211; 20,000 of them were happening every week. I was convinced there must be a way to use the net as an alternative.</p>
<p>So close to inventing eBay and yet, so far <img src='http://mobhappy.com/blog1/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Russell</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Starr "Stitch"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Starr "Stitch"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone that&#039;s directly involved (I just helped author a business plan for a company that I can&#039;t name, but which just recieved a one billion dollar commitment from the Mexican Banks and Vincente Fox) in alternate payment methods (the one above being stored value on unbanked credit cards), I can tell you that many of your points above are right on the money (pun intended), however, one thing to keep in mind is that there is a precedent for success in this arena; PayPal.  OF course Western Union/First Data would also be a relevant example.

At one point in 2000 when  I was with a company now called FSV Payment Systems, I suggested to their CTO (I was CIO) that they consider a joint venture with PayPal.  At the time, PayPal had around 20,000 accounts.

The CTO told me in no uncertain terms that I was off my rocker to even suggest it, that no webmaster in his right mind would EVER put something like that into their site.  Moreover, he suggested that unless an innovation was driven by MasterCard, Visa or AMEX, it would get no traction at all.

FSV is now in grocery stores, courtesy of their relationship with CoinStar, and you&#039;ve never heard of them, whereas PayPal is well...I don&#039;t need to tell you.

Oliver Starr
&lt;a href=&quot;http://qconverge.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://qconverge.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone that&#8217;s directly involved (I just helped author a business plan for a company that I can&#8217;t name, but which just recieved a one billion dollar commitment from the Mexican Banks and Vincente Fox) in alternate payment methods (the one above being stored value on unbanked credit cards), I can tell you that many of your points above are right on the money (pun intended), however, one thing to keep in mind is that there is a precedent for success in this arena; PayPal.  OF course Western Union/First Data would also be a relevant example.</p>
<p>At one point in 2000 when  I was with a company now called FSV Payment Systems, I suggested to their CTO (I was CIO) that they consider a joint venture with PayPal.  At the time, PayPal had around 20,000 accounts.</p>
<p>The CTO told me in no uncertain terms that I was off my rocker to even suggest it, that no webmaster in his right mind would EVER put something like that into their site.  Moreover, he suggested that unless an innovation was driven by MasterCard, Visa or AMEX, it would get no traction at all.</p>
<p>FSV is now in grocery stores, courtesy of their relationship with CoinStar, and you&#8217;ve never heard of them, whereas PayPal is well&#8230;I don&#8217;t need to tell you.</p>
<p>Oliver Starr<br />
<a href="http://qconverge.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://qconverge.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frank Koehntopp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Koehntopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started to comment, but then it got too big. Read on here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gadgetguy.de/index.php/2005/06#Mobile_Payments_-_the_Next_Billion_Dollar_Market___&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gadgetguy.de/index.php/2005/06#Mobile_Payments_-_the_Next_Billion_Dollar_Market___&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started to comment, but then it got too big. Read on here: <a href="http://www.gadgetguy.de/index.php/2005/06#Mobile_Payments_-_the_Next_Billion_Dollar_Market___" rel="nofollow">http://www.gadgetguy.de/index.php/2005/06#Mobile_Payments_-_the_Next_Billion_Dollar_Market___</a></p>
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